By: Phil (phil.delete@this.phil.com), September 28, 2011 5:56 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Jesper Frimann (jesperfrimann@gmail.com) on 9/28/11 wrote:
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>Michael S (already5chosen@yahoo.com) on 9/27/11 wrote:
>
>>Oracle published 1000GB TPC-H benchmark result:
>>
>>Oracle SPARC T4-4 Server, 4S/32C/256T, Oracle SPARC T4, 3GHz, 512GB, Solaris 10
>>8/11, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 201,487 QphH@1000GB at 4.60 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>
>>By comparison to other "traditional" database submissions that's damn good score.
>>
>>HP ProLiant DL980 G7, 8S/80C/160T, Intel Xeon E7-4870, 2.40 GHz, 2048GB, Ws2008
>>R2 EE, SQL Server 2008 R2 EE - 219,888 QphH@1000GB at 1.86 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>SPARC Enterprise M8000 Server, 16S/64C/128T, Fujitsu SPARC64 VII+, 3GHz, 512GB,
>>Solaris 10 8/11, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 209,534 QphH@1000GB at 9.53 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>IBM System x3850 X5 8P, 8S/80C/80T, Intel Xeon E7-8870, 2.40 GHz, 2048GB, Ws2008
>>R2 EE, SQL Server 2008 R2 EE - 173,962 QphH@1000GB at 1.37 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>IBM Power 780 Model 9179-MHB, 8S/32C/128T, IBM Power7, 4.14GHz, 512GB, RHEL 6, Sybase IQ Single Application
>>Server Edition v.15.2 ESD #2 - 164,747.2 QphH@1000GB at $6.85 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>HP Integrity Superdome 2, 16S/64C/64T, Intel Itanium 9350, 1.73GHz, 512 GB, HP-UX
>>11i v3, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 140,181 QphH@1000GB at 12.15 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>
>
>To be quite frank I think that Oracle has cracked this benchmark. Honestly a 32
>core T4 machine doing 90% of the work of a 80 core DL980 ? That would mean that
>a T4 core is twice as fast as a Westmere-EX core. weeeeeeelll..
>
>The difference in the result is not due to the compute power of the servers.
>
>If you look at all the submissions except the Oracle DB on SPARC then the queries
>have much longer run time for Q1, Q9,Q13, Q18 and Q21. Specially if you compare
>to the SD2 result the difference becomes obvious (oracle on UNIX versus Oracle on UNIX).
>IMHO they have cracked the benchmark.
>
>// Jesper
Its funny how when IBM shows a significantly higher benchmark result, like on SPEC CPU2006 or even SAP SD 2-Tier, certain folks here say *wow*, this is an amazing CPU and dont even question the fact that maybe IBM has cracked the benchmark, yet here, SPARC T4 does incredibly well on TPC-H, an independently audited benchmark, much more real world benchmark (than spec cpu will ever be), and where IBM and HP have recently published results so therefore Oracle must have cracked the benchmark? If anything, I think Oracle has cracked running a database seriously fast on SPARC HARDWARE and its going to be interesting how IBM or even HP will be able to counter this! IBM wont even dare run DB2 on TPC-H-why not? And why not AIX? Anybody question these things?
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>Michael S (already5chosen@yahoo.com) on 9/27/11 wrote:
>
>>Oracle published 1000GB TPC-H benchmark result:
>>
>>Oracle SPARC T4-4 Server, 4S/32C/256T, Oracle SPARC T4, 3GHz, 512GB, Solaris 10
>>8/11, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 201,487 QphH@1000GB at 4.60 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>
>>By comparison to other "traditional" database submissions that's damn good score.
>>
>>HP ProLiant DL980 G7, 8S/80C/160T, Intel Xeon E7-4870, 2.40 GHz, 2048GB, Ws2008
>>R2 EE, SQL Server 2008 R2 EE - 219,888 QphH@1000GB at 1.86 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>SPARC Enterprise M8000 Server, 16S/64C/128T, Fujitsu SPARC64 VII+, 3GHz, 512GB,
>>Solaris 10 8/11, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 209,534 QphH@1000GB at 9.53 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>IBM System x3850 X5 8P, 8S/80C/80T, Intel Xeon E7-8870, 2.40 GHz, 2048GB, Ws2008
>>R2 EE, SQL Server 2008 R2 EE - 173,962 QphH@1000GB at 1.37 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>IBM Power 780 Model 9179-MHB, 8S/32C/128T, IBM Power7, 4.14GHz, 512GB, RHEL 6, Sybase IQ Single Application
>>Server Edition v.15.2 ESD #2 - 164,747.2 QphH@1000GB at $6.85 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>HP Integrity Superdome 2, 16S/64C/64T, Intel Itanium 9350, 1.73GHz, 512 GB, HP-UX
>>11i v3, Oracle 11g R2 EE with Partitioning - 140,181 QphH@1000GB at 12.15 USD per QphH@1000GB
>>
>
>To be quite frank I think that Oracle has cracked this benchmark. Honestly a 32
>core T4 machine doing 90% of the work of a 80 core DL980 ? That would mean that
>a T4 core is twice as fast as a Westmere-EX core. weeeeeeelll..
>
>The difference in the result is not due to the compute power of the servers.
>
>If you look at all the submissions except the Oracle DB on SPARC then the queries
>have much longer run time for Q1, Q9,Q13, Q18 and Q21. Specially if you compare
>to the SD2 result the difference becomes obvious (oracle on UNIX versus Oracle on UNIX).
>IMHO they have cracked the benchmark.
>
>// Jesper
Its funny how when IBM shows a significantly higher benchmark result, like on SPEC CPU2006 or even SAP SD 2-Tier, certain folks here say *wow*, this is an amazing CPU and dont even question the fact that maybe IBM has cracked the benchmark, yet here, SPARC T4 does incredibly well on TPC-H, an independently audited benchmark, much more real world benchmark (than spec cpu will ever be), and where IBM and HP have recently published results so therefore Oracle must have cracked the benchmark? If anything, I think Oracle has cracked running a database seriously fast on SPARC HARDWARE and its going to be interesting how IBM or even HP will be able to counter this! IBM wont even dare run DB2 on TPC-H-why not? And why not AIX? Anybody question these things?
| Topic | Posted By | Date |
|---|---|---|
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 01:32 PM |
| "perceptron-based" based branch predictor | Mark Roulo | 09/27/11 02:17 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | DaveC | 09/27/11 02:22 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 03:28 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | DaveC | 09/27/11 03:59 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/27/11 03:44 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 01:43 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:39 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 03:49 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:44 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Phil | 09/28/11 05:56 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 06:23 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | someone | 09/28/11 06:54 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 07:39 AM |
| cracking benchmarks | anon | 09/28/11 02:10 PM |
| cracking benchmarks | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:39 PM |
| TPC-H is not a good benchmark | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:02 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | someone | 09/28/11 06:50 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 07:11 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread | blaine | 09/28/11 07:22 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:41 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:06 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 01:49 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Phil | 09/29/11 02:13 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 03:24 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | AC | 10/10/11 01:11 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 10/10/11 02:24 AM |
| But woulnd't that make TPC-H meaningless? (NT) | Daniel Bizo | 10/11/11 12:29 AM |
| not very meaningful already | Michael S | 10/11/11 01:09 AM |
| OLTP vs. analytic DBMS | David Kanter | 10/11/11 02:44 PM |
| software or hardware | sp4mysf | 09/29/11 06:14 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Thu Nguyen | 09/27/11 04:40 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Brett | 09/27/11 08:21 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | David Kanter | 09/27/11 08:33 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | anon | 09/27/11 08:56 PM |
| TERA MTA | Mark Roulo | 09/28/11 08:36 AM |
| TERA MTA | anon | 09/28/11 03:11 PM |
| TERA MTA | Michael S | 09/29/11 12:58 PM |
| TERA MTA | anon | 09/29/11 01:46 PM |
| TERA MTA | Brett | 09/29/11 02:33 PM |
| Are you sure? | Michael S | 09/29/11 03:19 PM |
| Are you sure? | Brett | 09/29/11 05:31 PM |
| I trust The Register more | Paul A. Clayton | 09/30/11 10:15 AM |
| TERA MTA | mpx | 09/30/11 05:33 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | anon | 09/27/11 08:28 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Phil | 09/28/11 12:23 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | David Kanter | 09/28/11 12:57 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:22 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/28/11 04:55 PM |
| Database clustering | Phil | 09/29/11 12:15 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/29/11 09:12 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/29/11 11:14 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/29/11 09:11 PM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 09/30/11 12:32 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/30/11 01:23 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/05/11 01:12 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 02:14 AM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 09/30/11 10:14 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 04:24 AM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 10/01/11 05:27 PM |
| Real system level : ) | David Kanter | 10/02/11 06:59 PM |
| Real system level : ) | Anon | 10/05/11 11:36 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/02/11 05:34 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/03/11 01:56 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 08:55 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 11:41 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/03/11 02:24 PM |
| Google... | EduardoS | 10/03/11 03:24 PM |
| Google... | Aaron Spink | 10/04/11 01:02 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 04:04 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 02:42 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 08:13 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 10/04/11 08:29 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 08:45 AM |
| Database clustering | bakaneko | 10/04/11 09:11 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 10:39 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 10:51 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 01:27 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 01:39 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 11:26 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 01:37 PM |
| Database clustering | anonymous | 10/02/11 10:27 PM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/01/11 04:40 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 05:42 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 06:19 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 06:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 08:44 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 09:01 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 09:55 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 10:07 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 11:11 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 11:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 03:00 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/01/11 09:18 AM |
| Database clustering | Michael S | 10/01/11 10:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 10:22 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/12/11 11:14 PM |
| Warning: Bad pun (no content) | Paul A. Clayton | 10/12/11 11:32 PM |
| Good one *8^) (NT) | Jesper Frimann | 10/12/11 11:56 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 08:09 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 11:35 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 01:40 PM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 10/04/11 02:45 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/05/11 12:09 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:13 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 05:56 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 09/30/11 10:39 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:07 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 06:01 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/05/11 01:02 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 01:32 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 09/30/11 12:20 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:09 PM |
| TPC-C king | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:31 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | someone | 09/28/11 11:23 AM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Paul A. Clayton | 09/27/11 03:29 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 10:23 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 12:04 AM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Phil | 09/28/11 12:32 AM |
| Are you trolling? | David Kanter | 09/28/11 01:07 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:23 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 04:13 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Phil | 09/28/11 06:06 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:25 AM |
| There is one (another one)... | EduardoS | 09/28/11 02:54 AM |
| There is one (another one)... | Michael S | 09/28/11 03:59 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/28/11 05:47 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 11:01 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:26 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 02:27 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 04:46 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:15 PM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:53 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 07:43 AM |
| Pricing | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:28 PM |
| Pricing | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:56 PM |
| Pricing | Michael S | 09/29/11 01:42 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Paul A. Clayton | 09/28/11 05:49 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:36 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 11:10 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 12:56 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Max | 09/29/11 06:53 AM |
| Instruction- vs. coprocessor-based extensions | Paul A. Clayton | 09/28/11 04:48 PM |
| Memory versioning? | anon | 10/02/11 08:48 PM |
| Memory versioning? | David Kanter | 10/02/11 09:31 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | Paul A. Clayton | 10/09/11 02:37 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | Gabriele Svelto | 10/09/11 10:11 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | David Kanter | 10/11/11 03:15 PM |
| Point well taken | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:18 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | EduardoS | 09/28/11 05:36 PM |
| Are you trolling? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:49 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | David Kanter | 09/28/11 11:29 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | Phil | 01/27/12 08:19 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | anon | 01/27/12 11:04 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | David Kanter | 01/27/12 03:47 PM |
| An addendum on I/O | Kira | 01/27/12 04:23 PM |
| Meant POWER7 (NT) | David Kanter | 01/27/12 06:55 PM |
| An addendum on I/O | Jesper Frimann | 01/29/12 07:58 AM |
| Are you trolling? | anon | 09/28/11 01:03 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | mpx | 09/29/11 01:05 AM |
| Well done! | David Kanter | 09/27/11 07:10 PM |
| Well done! | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 10:39 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | mpx | 09/29/11 12:56 AM |
| How much memory it supports? | EduardoS | 10/11/11 01:37 AM |
| How much memory it supports? | Michael S | 10/11/11 04:14 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/16/12 09:24 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Gabriele Svelto | 07/17/12 11:26 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/19/12 04:04 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Kira | 07/19/12 05:44 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/19/12 06:19 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Kira | 07/19/12 09:37 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/19/12 10:15 PM |
| T4->T5 | blaine | 07/21/12 08:39 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/20/12 08:18 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | mpx | 07/20/12 01:26 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/20/12 08:26 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Gabriele Svelto | 07/21/12 12:38 AM |



