By: David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com), September 28, 2011 5:02 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
>Its funny how when IBM shows a significantly higher benchmark result, like on SPEC
>CPU2006 or even SAP SD 2-Tier, certain folks here say *wow*, this is an amazing
>CPU
Yes, because SPECcpu2006 is the standard for CPU performance and SAP SD 2-tier is probably the best server benchmark out there (real application, not under control of a HW vendor, many results, etc.).
>and dont even question the fact that maybe IBM has cracked the benchmark yet
>here, SPARC T4 does incredibly well on TPC-H, an >independently audited benchmark,
Independent auditing is meaningless for TPC-H. Some components of SPECcpu2006 are 'cracked', but you can just ignore those and look at GCC if you want. Or you can assume that everyone will crack them reasonably well and that it all nets out at the end.
>much more real world benchmark (than spec cpu will ever >be), and where IBM and HP
>have recently published results so therefore Oracle must >have cracked the benchmark?
TPC-H is about as 'real world' as the illegitimate love child of the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Wicked Witch of the West. The queries are 20 years out of date, the data set is ridiculous.
For data warehousing, TPC-H is utterly unreflective of modern workloads.
David
>CPU2006 or even SAP SD 2-Tier, certain folks here say *wow*, this is an amazing
>CPU
Yes, because SPECcpu2006 is the standard for CPU performance and SAP SD 2-tier is probably the best server benchmark out there (real application, not under control of a HW vendor, many results, etc.).
>and dont even question the fact that maybe IBM has cracked the benchmark yet
>here, SPARC T4 does incredibly well on TPC-H, an >independently audited benchmark,
Independent auditing is meaningless for TPC-H. Some components of SPECcpu2006 are 'cracked', but you can just ignore those and look at GCC if you want. Or you can assume that everyone will crack them reasonably well and that it all nets out at the end.
>much more real world benchmark (than spec cpu will ever >be), and where IBM and HP
>have recently published results so therefore Oracle must >have cracked the benchmark?
TPC-H is about as 'real world' as the illegitimate love child of the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Wicked Witch of the West. The queries are 20 years out of date, the data set is ridiculous.
For data warehousing, TPC-H is utterly unreflective of modern workloads.
David
| Topic | Posted By | Date |
|---|---|---|
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 01:32 PM |
| "perceptron-based" based branch predictor | Mark Roulo | 09/27/11 02:17 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | DaveC | 09/27/11 02:22 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 03:28 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | DaveC | 09/27/11 03:59 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/27/11 03:44 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 01:43 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:39 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 03:49 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:44 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Phil | 09/28/11 05:56 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 06:23 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | someone | 09/28/11 06:54 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 07:39 AM |
| cracking benchmarks | anon | 09/28/11 02:10 PM |
| cracking benchmarks | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:39 PM |
| TPC-H is not a good benchmark | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:02 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | someone | 09/28/11 06:50 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Michael S | 09/28/11 07:11 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread | blaine | 09/28/11 07:22 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:41 PM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:06 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 01:49 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Phil | 09/29/11 02:13 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result - the high priced spread-SPARC T4 still comes out ahead! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 03:24 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | AC | 10/10/11 01:11 AM |
| TPC-H benchmark result | Jesper Frimann | 10/10/11 02:24 AM |
| But woulnd't that make TPC-H meaningless? (NT) | Daniel Bizo | 10/11/11 12:29 AM |
| not very meaningful already | Michael S | 10/11/11 01:09 AM |
| OLTP vs. analytic DBMS | David Kanter | 10/11/11 02:44 PM |
| software or hardware | sp4mysf | 09/29/11 06:14 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Thu Nguyen | 09/27/11 04:40 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Brett | 09/27/11 08:21 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | David Kanter | 09/27/11 08:33 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | anon | 09/27/11 08:56 PM |
| TERA MTA | Mark Roulo | 09/28/11 08:36 AM |
| TERA MTA | anon | 09/28/11 03:11 PM |
| TERA MTA | Michael S | 09/29/11 12:58 PM |
| TERA MTA | anon | 09/29/11 01:46 PM |
| TERA MTA | Brett | 09/29/11 02:33 PM |
| Are you sure? | Michael S | 09/29/11 03:19 PM |
| Are you sure? | Brett | 09/29/11 05:31 PM |
| I trust The Register more | Paul A. Clayton | 09/30/11 10:15 AM |
| TERA MTA | mpx | 09/30/11 05:33 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | anon | 09/27/11 08:28 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Phil | 09/28/11 12:23 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | David Kanter | 09/28/11 12:57 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:22 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/28/11 04:55 PM |
| Database clustering | Phil | 09/29/11 12:15 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/29/11 09:12 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/29/11 11:14 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/29/11 09:11 PM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 09/30/11 12:32 AM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 09/30/11 01:23 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/05/11 01:12 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 02:14 AM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 09/30/11 10:14 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 04:24 AM |
| Database clustering | Anon | 10/01/11 05:27 PM |
| Real system level : ) | David Kanter | 10/02/11 06:59 PM |
| Real system level : ) | Anon | 10/05/11 11:36 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/02/11 05:34 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/03/11 01:56 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 08:55 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 11:41 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/03/11 02:24 PM |
| Google... | EduardoS | 10/03/11 03:24 PM |
| Google... | Aaron Spink | 10/04/11 01:02 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/03/11 04:04 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 02:42 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 08:13 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 10/04/11 08:29 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 08:45 AM |
| Database clustering | bakaneko | 10/04/11 09:11 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 10:39 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 10:51 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 01:27 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 01:39 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 11:26 AM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/04/11 01:37 PM |
| Database clustering | anonymous | 10/02/11 10:27 PM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/01/11 04:40 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 05:42 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 06:19 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 06:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 08:44 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 09:01 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 09:55 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 10:07 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 11:11 AM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 09/30/11 11:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 09/30/11 03:00 PM |
| Database clustering | anon | 10/01/11 09:18 AM |
| Database clustering | Michael S | 10/01/11 10:33 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 10:22 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/12/11 11:14 PM |
| Warning: Bad pun (no content) | Paul A. Clayton | 10/12/11 11:32 PM |
| Good one *8^) (NT) | Jesper Frimann | 10/12/11 11:56 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 08:09 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/04/11 11:35 AM |
| Database clustering | Gabriele Svelto | 10/04/11 01:40 PM |
| Database clustering | David Kanter | 10/04/11 02:45 PM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/05/11 12:09 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:13 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 05:56 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 09/30/11 10:39 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:07 PM |
| Database clustering | Alex Fatkulin | 10/04/11 06:01 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 10/05/11 01:02 AM |
| Database clustering | Jesper Frimann | 10/01/11 01:32 AM |
| Database clustering | mpx | 09/30/11 12:20 AM |
| Database clustering | EduardoS | 09/30/11 02:09 PM |
| TPC-C king | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:31 AM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | someone | 09/28/11 11:23 AM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Paul A. Clayton | 09/27/11 03:29 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 10:23 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 12:04 AM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | Phil | 09/28/11 12:32 AM |
| Are you trolling? | David Kanter | 09/28/11 01:07 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Michael S | 09/28/11 02:23 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 04:13 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Phil | 09/28/11 06:06 AM |
| memory bandwidth clarification etc.. | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:25 AM |
| There is one (another one)... | EduardoS | 09/28/11 02:54 AM |
| There is one (another one)... | Michael S | 09/28/11 03:59 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/28/11 05:47 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 11:01 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:26 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 02:27 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 04:46 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:15 PM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Phil | 09/29/11 12:53 AM |
| Are you trolling? Yes, trolling for substantiation!! | Jesper Frimann | 09/29/11 07:43 AM |
| Pricing | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:28 PM |
| Pricing | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 09:56 PM |
| Pricing | Michael S | 09/29/11 01:42 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Paul A. Clayton | 09/28/11 05:49 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:36 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Jesper Frimann | 09/28/11 11:10 AM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 12:56 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | Max | 09/29/11 06:53 AM |
| Instruction- vs. coprocessor-based extensions | Paul A. Clayton | 09/28/11 04:48 PM |
| Memory versioning? | anon | 10/02/11 08:48 PM |
| Memory versioning? | David Kanter | 10/02/11 09:31 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | Paul A. Clayton | 10/09/11 02:37 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | Gabriele Svelto | 10/09/11 10:11 PM |
| Memory versioning--not just for TM? | David Kanter | 10/11/11 03:15 PM |
| Point well taken | David Kanter | 09/28/11 05:18 PM |
| T4 better at cryptographic workloads? | EduardoS | 09/28/11 05:36 PM |
| Are you trolling? | Gabriele Svelto | 09/28/11 09:49 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | David Kanter | 09/28/11 11:29 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | Phil | 01/27/12 08:19 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | anon | 01/27/12 11:04 AM |
| An addendum on I/O | David Kanter | 01/27/12 03:47 PM |
| An addendum on I/O | Kira | 01/27/12 04:23 PM |
| Meant POWER7 (NT) | David Kanter | 01/27/12 06:55 PM |
| An addendum on I/O | Jesper Frimann | 01/29/12 07:58 AM |
| Are you trolling? | anon | 09/28/11 01:03 PM |
| Flash vs. disk on SPECjEnterprise2010? | mpx | 09/29/11 01:05 AM |
| Well done! | David Kanter | 09/27/11 07:10 PM |
| Well done! | Gabriele Svelto | 09/27/11 10:39 PM |
| On the UltraSPARC T4 | mpx | 09/29/11 12:56 AM |
| How much memory it supports? | EduardoS | 10/11/11 01:37 AM |
| How much memory it supports? | Michael S | 10/11/11 04:14 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/16/12 09:24 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Gabriele Svelto | 07/17/12 11:26 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/19/12 04:04 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Kira | 07/19/12 05:44 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/19/12 06:19 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Kira | 07/19/12 09:37 PM |
| Big power miss on T4? | David Kanter | 07/19/12 10:15 PM |
| T4->T5 | blaine | 07/21/12 08:39 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/20/12 08:18 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | mpx | 07/20/12 01:26 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | EduardoS | 07/20/12 08:26 AM |
| Big power miss on T4? | Gabriele Svelto | 07/21/12 12:38 AM |



