POWER7 Spec

By: nemlis (noone.delete@this.void.com), February 11, 2010 12:24 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Linus Torvalds (torvalds@linux-foundation.org) on 2/10/10 wrote:
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>someone (someone@somewhere.com) on 2/10/10 wrote:
>>
>>[bunch of same old Linus shit deleted]
>
>I note that the deleted part was where all the numbers
>that you didn't actually reply to were.
>
>It's a fact that Nehalem (and Core 2) gets more
>work-per-cycle than Itanium has, despite Itanium running
>at much lower clock frequencies.
>
>You can delete the numbers all you want, but you just
>look stupid for doing so. Your arguments about memory
>models are all totally pointless - exactly because of the
>whole issue of the x86 chips running at a much higher
>frequency
.
>
>Don't you get it? I've compared performance cycle-to-cycle.
>Itanium got an almost 2x advantage because it's running at
>roughly half the speed, so the Itanium memory subsystem
>is not at all inferior to the Core 2 one I compared to.
>
>Yes, in absolute frequency, those Core 2 chips had higher
>FSB frequencies, but when normalizing to CPU cycles the
>frequencies are pretty much the same. So the Itanium box
>basically got memory that was twice as fast, had bigger
>caches, was the absolute top-of-the-line best gcc result
>you can find.
>
>And Itanium still got less work done per cycle.

While I generally agree with your position, there's still one argument in favor of Itanium: The compiler's probably much better at optimizing for the Core 2 than it is at optimizing for the Itanium (which has been a headache from the start). Intel excels at improving their x86 spec results by just issuing a new compiler version.

But the point is moot. Even if Itanium would be on par with or exceeding the Core 2/Nehalem IPC, the architecture (and it's mere bulk) obviously prevent them from scaling the frequency, which makes it a failure. It would need to have a significant clock-for-clock advantage to justify its existence.
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