Article: Parallelism at HotPar 2010
By: Jouni Osmala (josmala.delete@this.cc.hut.fi), August 5, 2010 8:36 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
IntelUser2000 (Intel_user2000@yahoo.ca) on 8/5/10 wrote:
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>Jouni Osmala (josmala@cc.hut.fi) on 8/5/10 wrote:
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>>Or Intel sues and nVidia counter sues, and Intel decides that its not worth to
>>stop shipping 50% of their volume to see this through, and they work out the cross licensing deal.
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>What makes you think its easier for Nvidia to make a decent x86 CPU then Intel
>to make a x86 GPU? Experience with AMD suggests this won't be simple. The mindset
>of a GPU company and CPU company is clearly different.
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>I don't think the FTC deal says anything about what you said above happening either.
What I claim that nVidia really don't have a license problem in making x86 cpus. And the 50% volume isn't about nVidia winning that market share, its about if intel sues nVidia, and nVidia counter sues, IGP:s probably break some patent nVidia has. Basicly lawsuits won't go to a point where someone has to stop shipping, since Intel would have too much to loose in that game. If nVidia and Intel get each other stop shipping CPU:s in a lawsuit game who wins?
But about producing x86, well there have been plenty of companies who have got close to same or better performance level than Intel in old times. They lost eventually but. nVidia could get atleast close enough to top atom. And what nVidia may need is an atom competitor to be in the game for low end. Besides modern nVidia gpu's are really vector CPU:s with some additional logic. And they run it about ~1500mhz.
They may have needed to hire some new people for the x86 CPU project, but who says that they haven't done it quietly at the background over the years and build the team for it already. Remember its not companies who do the design its people.
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>Jouni Osmala (josmala@cc.hut.fi) on 8/5/10 wrote:
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>>Or Intel sues and nVidia counter sues, and Intel decides that its not worth to
>>stop shipping 50% of their volume to see this through, and they work out the cross licensing deal.
>
>What makes you think its easier for Nvidia to make a decent x86 CPU then Intel
>to make a x86 GPU? Experience with AMD suggests this won't be simple. The mindset
>of a GPU company and CPU company is clearly different.
>
>I don't think the FTC deal says anything about what you said above happening either.
What I claim that nVidia really don't have a license problem in making x86 cpus. And the 50% volume isn't about nVidia winning that market share, its about if intel sues nVidia, and nVidia counter sues, IGP:s probably break some patent nVidia has. Basicly lawsuits won't go to a point where someone has to stop shipping, since Intel would have too much to loose in that game. If nVidia and Intel get each other stop shipping CPU:s in a lawsuit game who wins?
But about producing x86, well there have been plenty of companies who have got close to same or better performance level than Intel in old times. They lost eventually but. nVidia could get atleast close enough to top atom. And what nVidia may need is an atom competitor to be in the game for low end. Besides modern nVidia gpu's are really vector CPU:s with some additional logic. And they run it about ~1500mhz.
They may have needed to hire some new people for the x86 CPU project, but who says that they haven't done it quietly at the background over the years and build the team for it already. Remember its not companies who do the design its people.