By: Rohit (.delete@this..), January 4, 2011 7:08 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
David Kanter (dkanter@realworldtech.com) on 1/3/11 wrote:
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>So I saw Charlie had a rant up on Sandy Bridge Linux support, and it seemed a little
>odd to me. I'm not sure I see where the problem lies.
>
>Based on reading what he wrote, it sounds like the issue is that driver release
>schedules in the open-source community are a little less...co-ordinated...than in
>the Windows world. Namely, that Intel cannot get ISVs (or FOSS projects) to incorporate
>drivers before the hardware launch for press reviewers. So he didn't have easy
>driver installation for his system. Which is pretty annoying I gotta admit, but
>that's part of reviewing new hardware on tight deadlines. I still remember having
>to recompile everything to get a system on the network with a BCOM 57xx Ethernet
>controller (and find the drivers online, which was annoying).
>
>What's interesting is that it's clear you could recompile the drivers and any related
>components in the stack. It would just be a lot of work and might not be all that
>robust. Using Linux on unreleased hardware (i.e. Sandy Bridge at the moment), is
>really not an exercise for the faint-hearted.
>
>Also, if it's a problem with a specific commercial OS (e.g. Ubuntu), perhaps it's
>best to ask them what's going on? Enabling Ubuntu support on Intel IGPs is both
>the responsibility of Intel and Ubuntu, and if they decided that it can wait a little
>while...that's what they want. That's part and parcel of how Ubuntu makes money - is providing support to end users.
>
>Can anyone with perhaps more direct experience with Linux graphics comment on the
>issues here? It seems like this is relatively benign, given that products aren't
>on sale yet. Even if the release lags by a few days, it shouldn't be a huge issue...certainly
>some discrete graphics cards take a while to release their first Linux drivers.
>
>David
It's fairly common. The next release -after you buy your hw- of major distros, ubuntu/fedors/suse typically work flawlessly. The lag is there and has been there for a long time now. With SB it's acutere however.
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>So I saw Charlie had a rant up on Sandy Bridge Linux support, and it seemed a little
>odd to me. I'm not sure I see where the problem lies.
>
>Based on reading what he wrote, it sounds like the issue is that driver release
>schedules in the open-source community are a little less...co-ordinated...than in
>the Windows world. Namely, that Intel cannot get ISVs (or FOSS projects) to incorporate
>drivers before the hardware launch for press reviewers. So he didn't have easy
>driver installation for his system. Which is pretty annoying I gotta admit, but
>that's part of reviewing new hardware on tight deadlines. I still remember having
>to recompile everything to get a system on the network with a BCOM 57xx Ethernet
>controller (and find the drivers online, which was annoying).
>
>What's interesting is that it's clear you could recompile the drivers and any related
>components in the stack. It would just be a lot of work and might not be all that
>robust. Using Linux on unreleased hardware (i.e. Sandy Bridge at the moment), is
>really not an exercise for the faint-hearted.
>
>Also, if it's a problem with a specific commercial OS (e.g. Ubuntu), perhaps it's
>best to ask them what's going on? Enabling Ubuntu support on Intel IGPs is both
>the responsibility of Intel and Ubuntu, and if they decided that it can wait a little
>while...that's what they want. That's part and parcel of how Ubuntu makes money - is providing support to end users.
>
>Can anyone with perhaps more direct experience with Linux graphics comment on the
>issues here? It seems like this is relatively benign, given that products aren't
>on sale yet. Even if the release lags by a few days, it shouldn't be a huge issue...certainly
>some discrete graphics cards take a while to release their first Linux drivers.
>
>David
It's fairly common. The next release -after you buy your hw- of major distros, ubuntu/fedors/suse typically work flawlessly. The lag is there and has been there for a long time now. With SB it's acutere however.
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Sandy Bridge Reviews | David Kanter | 2011/01/03 12:00 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/03 03:11 AM |
VS2008 compilation test | Michael S | 2011/01/03 03:39 AM |
VS2008 compilation test | ajensen | 2011/01/03 05:44 AM |
VS2008 compilation test | IntelUser2000 | 2011/01/03 06:24 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Carlie Coats | 2011/01/03 10:41 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Linus Torvalds | 2011/01/03 11:00 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Carlie Coats | 2011/01/03 11:30 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Anon | 2011/01/03 03:55 PM |
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Sandy Bridge Reviews | Linus Torvalds | 2011/01/03 06:11 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Aaron Spink | 2011/01/04 01:56 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | EduardoS | 2011/01/04 02:38 PM |
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Sandy Bridge Reviews | Eric Bron | 2011/01/03 12:17 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Carlie Coats | 2011/01/03 01:03 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/03 01:18 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | anon | 2011/01/04 02:03 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/04 03:12 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Carlie Coats | 2011/01/04 06:33 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Eric Bron | 2011/01/05 01:39 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/05 08:10 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Eric Bron | 2011/01/05 12:01 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/05 03:59 PM |
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Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/06 10:35 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | MS | 2011/01/06 11:32 AM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | EduardoS | 2011/01/05 12:57 PM |
Sandy Bridge Reviews | Michael S | 2011/01/05 03:57 PM |
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Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | anon | 2011/01/04 01:37 AM |
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Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | anon | 2011/01/04 05:29 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | David Kanter | 2011/01/04 05:45 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Groo | 2011/01/08 10:57 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Michael S | 2011/01/09 05:44 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Foo_ | 2011/01/09 07:22 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Eric Bron | 2011/01/04 04:20 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Rohit | 2011/01/04 07:08 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Linus Torvalds | 2011/01/04 11:53 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Aaron Spink | 2011/01/04 01:48 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Linus Torvalds | 2011/01/04 03:23 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Paul | 2011/01/04 03:44 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Rob Thorpe | 2011/01/04 06:20 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Groo | 2011/01/08 11:09 PM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Paul D | 2011/01/08 08:12 AM |
Sandy Bridge GPU and Linux support | Foo_ | 2011/01/08 02:27 PM |
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