The ARM story: Earthquake looming?

By: Rob Thorpe (rthorpe.delete@this.robertthorpeconsulting.com), January 19, 2011 12:57 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
A lot of other folks seem to have done most of my job for me, but I think there are still a few more points to clear up.

Brett (ggtgp@yahoo.com) on 1/18/11 wrote:
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>I never claimed that Apple was a CPU design company.
>Building a SOC (System On Chip) complete with Apple designed ADB and Apple designed
>FireWire and Apple designed IWM is not a trivial task.

Well, Aaron Spink thinks otherwise. Since he AFAIK he designs chips I'm believing him not you.

>My claim was "Apple has a long history of using SOC to drive cost down and volumes up."
>And then I gave URLs to prove what I had said.
>The resultant commentary is little more than Apple bashing.

The rest of us agree with you that Apple have collected together logic into single chips. We don't agree that this constitutes serious "chip design talent". It's also not very unique, other companies have done the same thing and much more.

Most of the things you mention could be done by a handful of people and may well have been done by outside contractors.

>I could use HP instead as an example of a company that drove use of SOC to drive
>down cost and enable smaller/cheaper form factors
>This has made HP the largest PC company, and profitable, against Dell who spends

Do you have any evidence that HP have done better than Dell because of SOC? What SOC have HP used in the past few years that has allowed them to get ahead of Dell?

Certainly HP do some chip design and Dell don't. But why do you think that is important?

>NOTHING on design and is not very profitable.

If you mean that Dell don't design chips, then that's certainly true.

>The day when you could be Dell and slap your sticker on some one elses hardware
>and make money is over.

Despite what many think the PC OEMs don't mearly "slap a sticker on some one elses hardware". Unfortunately this seems to be a common myth even within the PC OEMs themselves.

I used to work for a PC OEM until quite recently and I can tell you that we did a whole lot more than that. It's quite true that for some types of PC the entire design is done by an ODM and then given an OEM badge. But, more often the OEM is more closely involved. The OEMs fill the gaps that the ODMs don't fill well, or where the ODMs have a strong financial incentive to economise.

Where I worked there were several areas where the OEM did a lot of work. An important one was manufacturing and quality. Where I worked the OEM would audit board designs for well known manufacturing problems. Sometimes more expensive processes would be picked over cheaper ones to prevent future quality problems. OEMs collate and organize regulatory approvals, sometimes they perform the regulatory testing but not often.

In some situations that OEM does most of the assembly of the machine, and the testing in their own factories. That doesn't always happen, AFAIK the big OEMs have a split strategy where they own some production but not all.

In some cases the OEM does mechanical, electrical and/or thermal design of the product. That varies from product-to-product and with complexity. The easy cases are left to the ODM, the more complex ones may be done by the ODM too if they are capable, or if not by the OEM.

Even if an ODM made the overall design it would be made from components that had been evaluated by the OEM. Everything that's put in has to get onto an "approved" list. That level of evaluation varies. Normal hard drives, for example, have become so reliable that they aren't given that much testing unless they're new or special. Less established hardware gets much more testing. I worked with a group that dealt with mobile broadband cards, WLAN cards, internal Bluetooth cards and antennas. At the OEM I worked for all of those things were tested quite extensively. That involved a great deal of testing of the software and drivers which was where many of the problems were. Those were then fed back to the potential suppliers. I understand that the situation is similar for graphics cards.

While I was there I worked on antenna vendor selection, EM interference problems, specifying wireless cards and fixing antenna integration problems.

After having worked in an OEM I can see the extra value that they add, and why corporate customers buy from them. If I were buying a PC for myself I wouldn't buy from a ODM or a 2nd tier OEM because I think the extra work the OEM puts in is valuable.

Apple certainly do all this, and of-course much more. My point here is that the other OEMs do much more than nothing.
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                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?mpx2011/01/15 12:32 PM
                              The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Aaron Spink2011/01/17 03:20 PM
                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?slacker2011/01/15 03:03 PM
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                      The ARM story: Earthquake looming?a reader2011/01/14 06:25 PM
                        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Foo_2011/01/15 02:12 AM
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                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?IntelUser20002011/01/16 04:20 PM
                              The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Matt Sayler2011/01/16 05:02 PM
                                The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Megol2011/01/17 09:18 AM
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                                        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Rob Thorpe2011/01/18 02:23 PM
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                      The ARM story: Earthquake looming??2011/01/16 08:29 AM
                        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?anon2011/01/16 09:08 PM
                        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Gabriele Svelto2011/01/16 11:43 PM
                  The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Robert Myers2011/01/14 05:29 PM
                    The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Max2011/01/15 06:18 AM
        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Groo2011/01/12 03:59 PM
          The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Wilco2011/01/12 04:40 PM
            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Groo2011/01/12 08:14 PM
        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Adrian2011/01/13 01:35 PM
          The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Paul2011/01/13 04:19 PM
            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Adrian2011/01/14 02:50 AM
              The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Wilco2011/01/14 06:00 AM
                The ARM story: Earthquake looming?none2011/01/14 06:26 AM
                  The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Wilco2011/01/14 06:46 AM
                    The ARM story: Earthquake looming?none2011/01/14 07:02 AM
                    The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Linus Torvalds2011/01/14 08:42 AM
                      The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Richard Cownie2011/01/14 09:06 AM
                        The ARM story: Earthquake looming?someone2011/01/14 10:20 AM
                          The ARM story: Earthquake looming?fastpathguru2011/01/14 11:22 AM
                          The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Richard Cownie2011/01/14 05:01 PM
                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Aaron Spink2011/01/15 05:07 AM
                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?slacker2011/01/15 03:08 PM
                              The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Jukka Larja2011/01/16 12:44 AM
                          The ARM story: Earthquake looming?mpx2011/01/15 04:08 AM
                            The ARM story: Earthquake looming?Paul2011/01/15 08:20 AM
                        The ARM story: 64 bit or bust?Kevin G2011/01/14 04:21 PM
                          The ARM story: 64 bit or bust?someone2011/01/15 09:48 AM
                      Bye, bye native binarympx2011/01/14 11:51 PM
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