Article: 22nm Design Challenges at ISSCC 2011
By: someone (someone.delete@this.somewhere.com), March 15, 2011 7:26 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Moritz (moritzgedig.spam@arcor.de) on 3/15/11 wrote:
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>someone (someone@somewhere.com) on 3/14/11 wrote:
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>>A decade ago I heard an design manager at AMD, an ex
>>DEC Alpha type, complain about how it was to recruit
>>EEs who knew anything about circuits and device physics.
>>All the new grads he interviewed were Verilog cowboys
>>who wanted to code up MPUs and had no desire to know
>>how transistors worked and interacted. Unless this trend
>>has changed (I have no reason to believe that it has) the
>>major IC designers are going to have to train new people
>>themselves to address these ever growing challenges.
>
>At my University we did learn both. (I'm a Student of electronics not computer-science.
>We had both solid-state physics and programing/HDL)
>Still, they can not honestly be complaining about young people not having 10 years of expertise.
>A reality check would be the only cure for the problem.
I don't believe I wrote anything about this AMD manager
expecting 10 years of experience.
When I was at school I did full custom MOS circuit design
and layout and tested my chips after fabrication. We also
had a full grounding in analog design including complex
and non-linear circuit analysis techniques as well as Q.M.
and solid state physics.
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>someone (someone@somewhere.com) on 3/14/11 wrote:
>---------------------------
>>A decade ago I heard an design manager at AMD, an ex
>>DEC Alpha type, complain about how it was to recruit
>>EEs who knew anything about circuits and device physics.
>>All the new grads he interviewed were Verilog cowboys
>>who wanted to code up MPUs and had no desire to know
>>how transistors worked and interacted. Unless this trend
>>has changed (I have no reason to believe that it has) the
>>major IC designers are going to have to train new people
>>themselves to address these ever growing challenges.
>
>At my University we did learn both. (I'm a Student of electronics not computer-science.
>We had both solid-state physics and programing/HDL)
>Still, they can not honestly be complaining about young people not having 10 years of expertise.
>A reality check would be the only cure for the problem.
I don't believe I wrote anything about this AMD manager
expecting 10 years of experience.
When I was at school I did full custom MOS circuit design
and layout and tested my chips after fabrication. We also
had a full grounding in analog design including complex
and non-linear circuit analysis techniques as well as Q.M.
and solid state physics.
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