Article: 22nm Design Challenges at ISSCC 2011
By: Rob Thorpe (rthorpe.delete@this.robertthorpeconsulting.com), March 15, 2011 3:42 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
mpx (mpx@nomail.pl) on 3/15/11 wrote:
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>Assume you have a talented person. A person who has many possible career paths available.
>Wouldn't EE/IT/programing career be not well paid as normalized by this person abilities?
>So if a young person good at math and physics sorts all careers available for him
>by income, then EE will never be on top or even close to the top? Eg. such person
>can easily enter the world of finances or other where they pay better. And if a
>person is generally talented (not only in sciences) then a career in sales or management
>may be much more profitable than working as an engeneer.
>
>People from poor countries may find an engeneering job in a rich country attractive
>because it may still pay better than being a lawyer or lower-level manager in their native country.
I think you're right about that. And I think Nathan makes a good point about the threat of outsourcing. A colleague of mine brought up both when discussing hiring today.
But, in some ways it's quite complicated. After our discussion I tried to find out the salary progression of various careers. I couldn't find any really good data.
If we ask, what career path is a good choice to take before university the answer isn't really clear because all the drop out rates aren't clear. I know when I went to university that those who graduated from accountancy and got careers as accountants had high earnings. But, lots of students did accountancy for a year then dropped it and started something else. Many who finished the course never became accountants. So, the whole picture isn't really clear.
What I've noticed (and I may be wrong) is that those who make it into finance and management do very well if they stay there for a few years and become established. But, lots of people don't get past that hurdle.
I think a great deal of it has to do with "coolness" of one sort or other. I know loads of unemployed 25-28 year olds who did ID design and product design at university. I think this was the inspiration of the iPod. Electronics has never been cool, but I think it's currently less cool than it was.
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>Assume you have a talented person. A person who has many possible career paths available.
>Wouldn't EE/IT/programing career be not well paid as normalized by this person abilities?
>So if a young person good at math and physics sorts all careers available for him
>by income, then EE will never be on top or even close to the top? Eg. such person
>can easily enter the world of finances or other where they pay better. And if a
>person is generally talented (not only in sciences) then a career in sales or management
>may be much more profitable than working as an engeneer.
>
>People from poor countries may find an engeneering job in a rich country attractive
>because it may still pay better than being a lawyer or lower-level manager in their native country.
I think you're right about that. And I think Nathan makes a good point about the threat of outsourcing. A colleague of mine brought up both when discussing hiring today.
But, in some ways it's quite complicated. After our discussion I tried to find out the salary progression of various careers. I couldn't find any really good data.
If we ask, what career path is a good choice to take before university the answer isn't really clear because all the drop out rates aren't clear. I know when I went to university that those who graduated from accountancy and got careers as accountants had high earnings. But, lots of students did accountancy for a year then dropped it and started something else. Many who finished the course never became accountants. So, the whole picture isn't really clear.
What I've noticed (and I may be wrong) is that those who make it into finance and management do very well if they stay there for a few years and become established. But, lots of people don't get past that hurdle.
I think a great deal of it has to do with "coolness" of one sort or other. I know loads of unemployed 25-28 year olds who did ID design and product design at university. I think this was the inspiration of the iPod. Electronics has never been cool, but I think it's currently less cool than it was.
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