ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV

Article: AMD's Mobile Strategy
By: Exophase (exophase.delete@this.gmail.com), December 20, 2011 8:13 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Linus Torvalds (torvalds@linux-foundation.org) on 12/20/11 wrote:
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>You seem to ignore it when I say that even the two-uop case
>is not at all unreasonable for a store - exactly because
>the address generation can be a big deal.

So because I don't agree with you that it's "not at all unreasonable" I must be ignoring you, right? Maybe it'd be more reasonable if the simple case were one uop. Like usual, provide some numbers about usage of complex address modes (ie, more complex than ARM's) and we can talk. Just saying over and over again how much of an advantage it has is is not convincing me.

>Everybody has some "imm", but the broken fixed-length
>instruction sets usually have an immediate that is limited
>to 8 or 16 bits.
>
>Which is simply not good enough for general cases, and then
>you have to load addresses with another load instruction.
>

Needs more data and less you simply calling it "broken." For something to be the general case I think it needs to at least qualify for over half of all usage, so please justify that.

>In contrast, x86 can generally generate most relevant
>addresses without having to have that "load address from
>GP table" kind of crap.
>
>ARM has immediates, but they are *tiny*. I don't know
>how big they are in ARM64, but since the whole insn is
>32 bits, we know they aren't big.

ARM's are 12-bits, add or subtract (so you can bias a pointer and hit it both ways).

ARM64 makes the reasonable choice to pre-multiply offset immediates, giving you 2-3 more bits than you'd have otherwise.

>Few enough people use true absolute addressing, although it
>does get used for 32-bit globals etc (but even then it does
>not work well with relocatable code).

By few enough people you mean few enough compilers?

>
>But in 64-bit code, RIP-relative addressing is certainly
>not uncommon, and again, the immediates often aren't small.
>

ARM and ARM64 have PC-relative addressing too, but I suppose you'll consider it worthless for its small immediate offsets.

I want to see data on immediate requirements. In typical code immediates will often be used for accessing fields of a struct or object. So for them to be too small the object needs to be too big. While I'm sure this is often the case, it really needs to be too big between a lot of fields, because otherwise one displacement into the struct is going to give you access to a bunch of fields.

>I've seen other 64-bit RISC setups (just assuming ARM64
>is going to be similar: I've only seen the overview slides,
>not the actual instruction encoding - is it public yet?)
>and the address generation is often disgusting.
>
>Linus

YES, the instruction information is public, I've said so multiple times now, I asked you to please go read it before you make more guesses about it (see infocenter.arm.com and register for silver). I can e-mail it to you if you really won't do that.

Seriously though, I wish you'd present more data or at least more thorough arguments for why you feel as strongly as you do about all this, and less emphasis on pejoratives.
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      ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Azazel2011/12/15 09:50 PM
        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Mike C2011/12/22 02:14 PM
          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Michael S2011/12/23 07:06 AM
        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Mike C2011/12/23 08:07 PM
    ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Wilco2011/12/15 07:46 AM
      ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/15 10:32 AM
        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV a person2011/12/15 10:59 AM
        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Michael S2011/12/15 11:18 AM
          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV anon2011/12/16 07:22 PM
            ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Wilco2011/12/17 06:56 AM
              Thumb vs ARM instruction countsnone2011/12/17 11:15 AM
                Thumb vs ARM instruction countsWilco2011/12/22 07:50 AM
                  Thumb vs ARM instruction countsExophase2011/12/22 08:56 AM
        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Exophase2011/12/15 11:44 AM
          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/15 03:24 PM
            ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Exophase2011/12/15 04:15 PM
              ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/15 04:51 PM
                ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV anon2011/12/15 05:32 PM
                  ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV David Kanter2011/12/15 06:57 PM
                    ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV anon2011/12/15 08:58 PM
                      ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Wilco2011/12/16 12:27 AM
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                      Is scalar x86 decode that easy?Linus Torvalds2011/12/16 12:09 PM
                        Is scalar x86 decode that easy?EduardoS2011/12/17 10:03 AM
                        Is scalar x86 decode that easy?Ricardo B2011/12/17 02:21 PM
                          Is scalar x86 decode that easy?Megol2011/12/18 05:23 AM
                            Is scalar x86 decode that easy?rwessel2011/12/18 10:04 AM
                              Is scalar x86 decode that easy?Megol2011/12/18 10:38 AM
                              Is scalar x86 decode that easy?Linus Torvalds2011/12/18 12:15 PM
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                          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/17 10:56 AM
                        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Wilco2011/12/17 07:45 AM
                          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/17 11:31 AM
                            ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV anon2011/12/21 09:12 AM
                          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV David Kanter2011/12/17 02:16 PM
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                            ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV none2011/12/17 05:00 PM
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                                        ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Wilco2011/12/21 07:43 AM
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                                            ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV gallier22011/12/22 01:25 AM
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                                          ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV gallier22011/12/22 02:02 AM
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                              ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/20 07:51 PM
                                ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Exophase2011/12/20 08:13 PM
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                                      ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/21 08:18 PM
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                ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV mpx2011/12/17 05:40 AM
                  ARM vs. x86 is irrelevant from an energy efficiency POV Linus Torvalds2011/12/17 12:06 PM
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      L4 CacheRicardo B2011/12/31 02:25 PM
        L4 CacheBill Henkel2012/01/03 06:33 PM
          L4 CacheDavid Kanter2012/01/03 08:54 PM
            L4 Cache--not quite that bad?Paul A. Clayton2012/01/04 01:10 PM
              L4 Cache--not quite that bad?David Kanter2012/01/04 04:59 PM
                L4 Cache--not so bad (for Intel/IBM perhaps)Paul A. Clayton2012/01/04 08:01 PM
                L4 CacheBill Henkel2012/01/05 05:50 PM
                  Integration class price/performance tradeoffs?Paul A. Clayton2012/01/06 03:26 PM
                    Integration class price/performance tradeoffs?David Kanter2012/01/06 06:29 PM
                      InterposersMark Roulo2012/01/09 09:43 AM
                        InterposersDavid Kanter2012/01/10 12:13 PM
                    Integration class price/performance tradeoffs?Bill Henkel2012/01/06 06:52 PM
                      Beware of invention-stealing time travelers :-)Paul A. Clayton2012/01/06 08:31 PM
                        AMD PrototypePoindexter2012/01/07 06:20 AM
                    L4 Cache with Silicon InterposerTom J2012/01/08 05:50 PM
              L4 Cache--not quite that bad?rwessel2012/01/04 07:20 PM
                Temptation for expensive optimizationsPaul A. Clayton2012/01/04 08:20 PM
            L4 CacheDan Fay2012/01/04 05:51 PM
              L4 CacheRicardo B2012/01/04 06:39 PM
                L4 CacheDan Fay2012/01/04 06:57 PM
              L4 CacheKevin G2012/01/06 09:02 AM
          L4 CacheRicardo B2012/01/04 06:29 PM
            L4 CacheMichael S2012/01/05 07:21 AM
              L4 CacheRicardo B2012/01/05 11:01 AM
              L4 CacheRicardo B2012/01/06 06:06 AM
                L4 CacheMichael S2012/01/06 07:35 AM
                  Non-latency advantagesPaul A. Clayton2012/01/06 03:04 PM
                    Non-latency advantagesRicardo B2012/01/06 06:12 PM
                      Tag check delay??Paul A. Clayton2012/01/06 07:05 PM
                        Tag check delay??Ricardo B2012/01/06 08:18 PM
                          Thanks for sharingPaul A. Clayton2012/01/06 08:46 PM
            L4 Cachesomeone2012/01/08 05:06 PM
              L4 CacheRicardo B2012/01/08 06:28 PM
      L4 CacheVincent Diepeveen2012/01/08 02:11 PM
        L4 CacheJouni Osmala2012/01/09 03:24 AM
  Value of x86 in ServersGeorge Baker2012/01/04 10:55 AM
    Value of x86 in ServersDavid Kanter2012/01/05 02:40 AM
      Value of x86 in Serversrwessel2012/01/05 03:27 AM
        Value of x86 in ServersDavid Kanter2012/01/05 04:49 AM
      Value of x86 in ServersKira2012/01/09 05:22 PM
        Value of x86 in ServersJoel2012/01/09 09:20 PM
    Value of x86 in ServersDan Fay2012/01/05 09:03 AM
    Value of x86 in ServersAlex M2012/01/06 04:23 PM
    Value of x86 in ServersTom J2012/01/10 04:25 PM
      Value of x86 in Serversanon2012/01/11 12:44 PM
        Value of x86 in ServersGregory2012/01/12 06:11 PM
          x86 complexity or high-performance complexity?Paul A. Clayton2012/01/12 06:52 PM
          Value of x86 in ServersMichael S2012/01/13 06:39 AM
            Value of x86 in ServersRicardo B2012/01/13 03:14 PM
              Value of x86 in ServersMichael S2012/01/14 12:22 PM
  Heterogeneous ComputingAlex M2012/01/06 05:10 AM
    Thoughput != SIMDPaul A. Clayton2012/01/06 05:10 PM
  AMD's Processor StrategyJason Chan2012/01/10 06:06 AM
    AMD's Processor StrategyMark Roulo2012/01/10 06:21 PM
      AMD's Processor StrategyMegol2012/01/11 03:51 AM
        AMD's Processor StrategyDavid Hess2012/01/11 10:46 AM
    AMD's Processor StrategyAzazel2012/01/12 09:46 PM
      AMD's Processor StrategyVincent Diepeveen2012/01/13 06:28 AM
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