Article: Medfield, Intel's x86 Phone Chip
By: anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com), January 26, 2012 2:08 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Anon (no@email.com) on 1/26/12 wrote:
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>Doug Siebert (foo@bar.bar) on 1/26/12 wrote:
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>>Foo_ (foo@nomail.com) on 1/26/12 wrote:
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>>>Yes. I think smartphones will trickle down in the coming years, because the price
>>>of entry-level smartphones will decrease and the price of 3G data access will decrease
>>>too. So people like me will soon switch to smartphones even though they won't make
>>>a heavy use of it, and they will expect decent standby times out of them.
>>
>>
>>There are and will be many low end Android phones coming out which will cause smartphones
>>to entirely replace the feature phone market over the next few years. A lot of
>>the "smartphones" will be only in name as their owners will use them only as phones,
>>and never use any smartphone functionality such as browsing or apps. I wouldn't
>>be surprised in fact to see disabling the ability to load apps, removing the browser,
>>Wifi capability etc. on the very lowest end models as a method of artificial market segmentation.
>>
>>I'm sure someone will make (if they aren't already) Android phones that are a bit
>>thicker to accomodate a jumbo battery, which would allow a month of standby time
>>for those who almost never use their phone. You're not the only who has this usage
>>model, my retired parents have a cell phone that they only use when travelling.
>>I think maybe my dad also brings it with him when he goes to the grocery store
>>so he can call my mom if he can't find something on her list :)
>>
>>My point in dismissing the advantage in standby when compared to the iPhone 4S
>>is that customers who buy the iPhone or an Android phone comparable to the Medfield
>>reference platform are buying them to be used heavily as smartphones. The battery
>>life when actually using them is pretty much the same. The difference in standby
>>time is only relevant to a certain segment of the feature phone replacement market,
>>and I doubt Intel plans to (or even can) compete with ARM in that ultimate cut throat
>>market where saving even a few pennies in the BOM rules supreme.
>>
>>
>
>I would agree pretty much.
>
>One other thing to consider, I suspect that cutting down a high end phone to such
>minimal capability (smaller dimmer screen, slower cpu, lesser gpu, less memory,
>no 3g, no wireless, no gps, less sensors, etc) would allow a significant increase
>in the standby time without having to look too deeply at the core architecture.
No, you're not looking at the complete picture. I mean, your statement is correct, but when you have less peripheral power draw, then you have relatively larger idle core power draw. So it becomes more important to have lower power core.
Manufacturers of course want to put the smallest, cheapest battery on there that they can.
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>Doug Siebert (foo@bar.bar) on 1/26/12 wrote:
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>>Foo_ (foo@nomail.com) on 1/26/12 wrote:
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>>>Yes. I think smartphones will trickle down in the coming years, because the price
>>>of entry-level smartphones will decrease and the price of 3G data access will decrease
>>>too. So people like me will soon switch to smartphones even though they won't make
>>>a heavy use of it, and they will expect decent standby times out of them.
>>
>>
>>There are and will be many low end Android phones coming out which will cause smartphones
>>to entirely replace the feature phone market over the next few years. A lot of
>>the "smartphones" will be only in name as their owners will use them only as phones,
>>and never use any smartphone functionality such as browsing or apps. I wouldn't
>>be surprised in fact to see disabling the ability to load apps, removing the browser,
>>Wifi capability etc. on the very lowest end models as a method of artificial market segmentation.
>>
>>I'm sure someone will make (if they aren't already) Android phones that are a bit
>>thicker to accomodate a jumbo battery, which would allow a month of standby time
>>for those who almost never use their phone. You're not the only who has this usage
>>model, my retired parents have a cell phone that they only use when travelling.
>>I think maybe my dad also brings it with him when he goes to the grocery store
>>so he can call my mom if he can't find something on her list :)
>>
>>My point in dismissing the advantage in standby when compared to the iPhone 4S
>>is that customers who buy the iPhone or an Android phone comparable to the Medfield
>>reference platform are buying them to be used heavily as smartphones. The battery
>>life when actually using them is pretty much the same. The difference in standby
>>time is only relevant to a certain segment of the feature phone replacement market,
>>and I doubt Intel plans to (or even can) compete with ARM in that ultimate cut throat
>>market where saving even a few pennies in the BOM rules supreme.
>>
>>
>
>I would agree pretty much.
>
>One other thing to consider, I suspect that cutting down a high end phone to such
>minimal capability (smaller dimmer screen, slower cpu, lesser gpu, less memory,
>no 3g, no wireless, no gps, less sensors, etc) would allow a significant increase
>in the standby time without having to look too deeply at the core architecture.
No, you're not looking at the complete picture. I mean, your statement is correct, but when you have less peripheral power draw, then you have relatively larger idle core power draw. So it becomes more important to have lower power core.
Manufacturers of course want to put the smallest, cheapest battery on there that they can.
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Medfield article online | David Kanter | 2012/01/23 01:51 PM |
server error | bakaneko | 2012/01/24 03:00 AM |
Fixed | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 04:02 AM |
Fixed | Joel | 2012/01/24 07:43 AM |
Fixed | Ricardo B | 2012/01/24 11:25 AM |
Fixed | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 05:29 PM |
Fixed | Gabriele Svelto | 2012/01/24 01:07 PM |
Fixed | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 05:30 PM |
Reference platform battery life | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/24 02:03 PM |
standby time | Foo_ | 2012/01/25 06:58 AM |
standby time | Anon | 2012/01/26 03:42 AM |
standby time | Foo_ | 2012/01/26 04:02 AM |
standby time | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/26 12:39 PM |
standby time | Anon | 2012/01/26 01:22 PM |
standby time | anon | 2012/01/26 02:08 PM |
standby time | Anon | 2012/01/26 06:03 PM |
standby time | anon | 2012/01/26 08:57 PM |
standby time | anon | 2012/01/26 09:01 PM |
standby time | Anon | 2012/01/27 09:32 PM |
standby time | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/27 02:15 PM |
standby time | anon | 2012/01/27 02:41 PM |
Reference platform battery life | David Kanter | 2012/01/27 10:09 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | Wilco | 2012/01/24 03:23 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 05:19 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/24 07:30 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/24 07:32 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 11:34 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/24 11:56 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | David Kanter | 2012/01/25 02:07 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | Alberto | 2012/01/25 12:54 PM |
Atom HT gain | Wilco | 2012/01/25 05:43 AM |
Atom HT gain | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/25 06:53 AM |
Atom HT gain | none | 2012/01/25 07:04 AM |
Atom HT gain | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/25 07:35 AM |
Atom HT gain | Foo_ | 2012/01/25 07:06 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | Wilco | 2012/01/24 08:21 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | David Kanter | 2012/01/24 10:13 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | Wilco | 2012/01/25 04:30 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | none | 2012/01/25 06:14 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | Wilco | 2012/01/25 07:18 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | observer | 2012/01/26 04:17 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | Wilco | 2012/01/26 06:25 AM |
Process numbers | Alberto | 2012/01/26 09:29 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | David Kanter | 2012/02/02 12:38 AM |
Performance analysis laughable | tupper | 2012/01/25 04:27 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | Linus Torvalds | 2012/01/25 08:37 PM |
Performance analysis laughable | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/26 02:12 PM |
Medfield article online | Andreas | 2012/01/25 03:10 AM |
Medfield article online | Alberto | 2012/01/25 09:44 AM |
Medfield article online | IntelUser2000 | 2012/01/25 10:24 AM |
Medfield article online | David Kanter | 2012/01/25 09:58 PM |
Medfield article online | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/26 01:20 PM |
Medfield article online | Eric | 2012/01/26 06:10 PM |
Medfield article online | Doug Siebert | 2012/01/27 02:40 PM |
64-bit | Ingeneer | 2012/01/25 09:28 AM |
64-bit | Foo_ | 2012/01/25 10:23 AM |
64-bit | Ingeneer | 2012/01/25 02:34 PM |
64-bit | Ungo | 2012/01/25 04:08 PM |
64-bit | EduardoS | 2012/01/26 12:55 PM |
Saltwell memcpy | SHK | 2012/01/26 02:41 AM |
Medfield WiFi & Bluetooth | Rob Thorpe | 2012/01/26 03:09 AM |
Medfield WiFi & Bluetooth | David Kanter | 2012/01/27 05:54 PM |
Medfield WiFi & Bluetooth | Rob Thorpe | 2012/01/28 02:22 PM |
Medfield article online (NT) | Anil | 2012/01/26 05:57 PM |
Medfield article online | Anil | 2012/01/26 06:11 PM |
Medfield article online | Mr. Camel | 2012/01/26 06:26 PM |
Medfield article online | none | 2012/01/27 01:41 AM |