Different shader cores

Article: Impressions of Kepler
By: Tom (noemail.delete@this.yahoo.com), April 11, 2012 2:36 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Oscar Eddington wrote:
>>> If Nvidia's graphics and compute products diverge
>>> as explained in this article, doesn't that make
>>> it difficult to use both a graphics card and a
>>> tesla card in a workstation for compute?

Gary M. wrote:
>> It will be nearly impossible to keep both a graphics card and a Tesla card running
>> at full speed if these cards have different capabilities. It is too difficult to
>> do load balancing across chips with different capabilities. Nvidia's strategy to
>> diverge their graphics and compute products seems similar to the transition from
>> heterogeneous pixel shaders and vertex shaders to unified shaders except it's going in the opposite direction.

David Kanter wrote:
> It's not really opposite at all. Conceptually, you can think of hardware vertex
> or pixel shaders as heterogeneous cores within a single GPU. That's not at all what's happening.
>
> What you see is different cores for different GPU (e.g. different double precision)
> and also different memory controllers (e.g. ECC support).
>
> In the CPU world, we are used to seeing the same core, but different 'uncore'.

Having a workstation with both a current Tesla card and a Kepler GK104 graphics card would be like taking a dual socket motherboard and putting a Xeon with 20MB of L3 cache in one socket and a Xeon with 5MB of L3 cache and no ECC in the other socket, assuming that is even possible. In other words, it makes no sense to have two different versions of GPUs in the same system just like it makes no sense to have two different versions of CPUs in the same system. I bet no one will use the integrated graphics in Sandy Bridge for GPU computing at the same time that they use a real graphics card for GPU computing.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Kepler GK104 chip actually has ECC but Nvidia just disables it for their consumer graphics cards. Once they fix any hardware bugs, they will relabel this chip as a Quadro/Tesla chip.
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      First impressions of Nvidia's KeplerMike2012/03/23 09:34 AM
        First impressions of Nvidia's KeplerDavid Kanter2012/03/23 12:15 PM
      First impressions of Nvidia's Kepleranon2012/03/23 11:37 AM
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          I use ALUsanon2012/03/23 02:07 PM
            I use ALUsMark Roulo2012/03/23 03:12 PM
              I use ALUsanon2012/03/23 04:08 PM
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          Makes no sense...fellix2012/03/24 05:41 AM
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      Shuffle InstructionMartin2012/03/27 10:52 AM
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          .msi unarchiver?Joe2012/03/28 12:55 PM
          .msi unarchiver?Martin2012/03/29 12:53 AM
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    Heterogeneous GPUsGary M.2012/04/06 04:35 PM
      Different shader coresDavid Kanter2012/04/09 11:29 AM
        Different shader coresTom2012/04/11 02:36 PM
          Nope...David Kanter2012/04/12 01:10 AM
            Nope...Tom2012/04/13 03:58 PM
              Nope...David Kanter2012/04/14 12:24 PM
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                  Load balancing between Tesla and graphics boardsDavid Kanter2012/04/15 10:11 PM
                    Load balancing between Tesla and graphics boardsAnon2012/04/16 05:05 PM
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      Why isn't AMD hardware used for GPU computing?Alexko2012/04/04 08:43 AM
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