By: Exophase (exophase.delete@this.gmail.com), April 26, 2012 11:17 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
David Kanter (dkanter@realworldtech.com) on 4/25/12 wrote:
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>Just a few quick notes from the Bulldozer ISSCC presentations:
>
>1. AGUs do INC/DEC for PUSH/POP only
>2. Single cycle data and flag bypass from any of the 4 units
>3. Replicated PRF for 8 reads and 4 writes (each unit can write 1 result)
>4. ALUs bypass to all ALUs and AGUs
>5. AGU0 bypasses to ALU0 and AGU1 to ALU1. AGUs do not bypass to each other or to the other ALU.
>6. Only ALUs produce and consume flags
>7. INC was replicated to maintain single cycle latency on certain paths
>8. The L2 cache array has a 6-cycle internal pipeline. I suspect that means the
>remaining cycles are for L1D check (4 cycles) and then 10 cycles for sending the
>request, returning the data, checking the L2 tags, etc.
>
>Hopefully this sheds a bit more light on Bulldozer.
>
>
>David
>
>
Thank you, this is very helpful information. In this case the person who claimed to have tested inc/dec + alu throughput must have been mistaken. Do you know if the AGUs handle both 32-bit and 64-bit push/pop stack adjustment?
I wonder how much the lack of bypassing from AGU to the opposite ALU and AGU hurts performance. What kind of penalty does this incur; does latency increase entirely until a PRF writeback stage or does it take a longer bypass path (ie, AG0->EX0->EX1->AG1 to cover the entire distance)?
Do you have any opinion on the claims that the SOG makes regarding Piledriver, that it adds mov, xchg, bextr, and xadd capability to the AGUs? mov/xchg make sense, but xadd/bextr modify the flags. Whether this means the AGUs can now modify flags or that flag modification can be suppressed like Linus was describing, it doesn't make sense that these obscure instructions would be supported while the more common ones wouldn't be.
Still seems like the AG units having full access to the PRF but only being able to do the operations they can do is kind of a waste.
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>Just a few quick notes from the Bulldozer ISSCC presentations:
>
>1. AGUs do INC/DEC for PUSH/POP only
>2. Single cycle data and flag bypass from any of the 4 units
>3. Replicated PRF for 8 reads and 4 writes (each unit can write 1 result)
>4. ALUs bypass to all ALUs and AGUs
>5. AGU0 bypasses to ALU0 and AGU1 to ALU1. AGUs do not bypass to each other or to the other ALU.
>6. Only ALUs produce and consume flags
>7. INC was replicated to maintain single cycle latency on certain paths
>8. The L2 cache array has a 6-cycle internal pipeline. I suspect that means the
>remaining cycles are for L1D check (4 cycles) and then 10 cycles for sending the
>request, returning the data, checking the L2 tags, etc.
>
>Hopefully this sheds a bit more light on Bulldozer.
>
>
>David
>
>
Thank you, this is very helpful information. In this case the person who claimed to have tested inc/dec + alu throughput must have been mistaken. Do you know if the AGUs handle both 32-bit and 64-bit push/pop stack adjustment?
I wonder how much the lack of bypassing from AGU to the opposite ALU and AGU hurts performance. What kind of penalty does this incur; does latency increase entirely until a PRF writeback stage or does it take a longer bypass path (ie, AG0->EX0->EX1->AG1 to cover the entire distance)?
Do you have any opinion on the claims that the SOG makes regarding Piledriver, that it adds mov, xchg, bextr, and xadd capability to the AGUs? mov/xchg make sense, but xadd/bextr modify the flags. Whether this means the AGUs can now modify flags or that flag modification can be suppressed like Linus was describing, it doesn't make sense that these obscure instructions would be supported while the more common ones wouldn't be.
Still seems like the AG units having full access to the PRF but only being able to do the operations they can do is kind of a waste.
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