SOI, FD vs. PD

By: hcl64 (mario.smarq.delete@this.gmail.com), April 30, 2012 10:47 pm
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David Kanter (dkanter@realworldtech.com) on 4/30/12 wrote:
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>hcl64 (mario.smarq@gmail.com) on 4/30/12 wrote:
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>>David Kanter (dkanter@realworldtech.com) on 4/30/12 wrote:
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>>>hcl64 (mario.smarq@gmail.com) on 4/30/12 wrote:
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>>>>David Kanter (dkanter@realworldtech.com) on 4/30/12 wrote:
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>>Sorry again Mr. Kanter
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>>Facts:
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>Actually fiction...
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>>NovaThor ARM chipset for smarthphone has been on the market >even before the end
>>of 2011 in 1 or 2 HTC products mostly sold on China
>>

Actually NovaThor "platform" in on market for some time (chipsets) - **(not meaning the ARM(+-MALI) processor)**- at least that is the name that Matthew Costello, chief operating officer of HTC used to describe it, is on market for quite some time. A Platform based on the TD-SCDMA standard which is common in china.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4228137/ST-Ericsson-NovaThor-HTC-smartphone

Since the hype, and in this i agree with you, as been that all Novathor will use FD-SOI, then that chipset could be already FD-SOI !??...

But digging around the NET... it really doesn't specify, can't find anything conclusive. By the name of NovaThor goes disparate discrete elements from small modems to smartphone/tablet processors.

Most probably that chipset is on bulk and they pretend to switch making them on FD-SOI also.... *which is a very clever move*, cause SOI can have clear benefices for wireless IC.

But we have to excuse them, STE is "confusing", is a company in a state of flux that may end up sold(below).

**Nevertheless it seems clear i was wrong**, FD-SOI will not be first to market than Intel FinFET. But it will happen now, even if STE ends up sold, there is a guaranty that there will be an ARM(+-MALI) at 28nm FD-SOI, NOT fiction (below).

>>Wireless transceiver of ST, SPIRIT 1... is now on the market, or will be very soon (can't confirm).
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>>all based on ST 28nm FD-SOI, so we can say BEFORE 22nm >FinFET.
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>Let's try this again. Here's Ivy Bridge for sale:
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-19-116-504-_-Homepage2011
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>Here's a discussion of the FD-SOI from STE:
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>"LT: FD-SOI will be introduced into next generation products from ST-Ericsson.
>At this time, our first 28nm FD-SOI products are scheduled to tape out in
>Q3 2012 with production start anticipated in 2013."
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>The bold is mine, for emphasis.
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>http://semimd.com/hars/2012/04/24/st-ericsson-28nm-fd-soi-smartphone-soc-q3-tape-out-interview/
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>So according to STE, they haven't even taped out 28nm >FD-SOI products and there won't be products until 2013.
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Actually that piece that is specific about the ARM CPU part of STE.. ending in the interview (smartphones/tablets) may be not very correct.

ST-E is about platform exclusively now, if that interview was posted on the date it entered (24 April)( i think it did), then that emphatic " first FD-SOI product" of ST-E is *NOT a processor*, its *chipsets*, because the all processor division including personal was transfered to STMicro (23 April) http://www.stericsson.com/press_releases/Strategy_update.jsp ... not bad for a company trying to survive, betting on a superior tech that is supposed to be more expensive even for cheap things like platform chipsets... way to go!...

Also glad because it shows Semimd is clear centered on fab tech, and not business or propaganda of products.

>That makes no sense. SOITEC talks up their technology >because they need to convince
>companies to use it. Frankly, they have a poor history of >doing so. There was a
>huge hyping of PD-SOI (and ZRAM). Neither of which panned >out really. PD-SOI is a niche technology, and ZRAM is dead.
>

Frankly i can't understand your position Mr.Kanter... Of course SOITEC will do marketing(convince companies to use it) companies have ppl more clever than you and me... they will choose the right and the possible... if back door counter deals with lots of cash doesn't talk louder...

Doesn't Intel also do a lot of Hype (convince ppl to use it) about their FinFET ?

And the last and best about ZRAM.. it was not on SOI it was on bulk and on some exotic FinFET form..
http://chipdesignmag.com/display.php?articleId=4013
http://www.electronicspecifier.com/Memory/Innovative-Silicons-Z-RAM-Technology-Meets-Low-Voltage-and-Bulk-Silicon-Requirements-of-DRAM-Memory-Manufacturers.asp

Perhaps too expensive to manufacture now.. but not without future... that is why Micron bought it.

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>Just look at Advanced Substrate News. That entire website is a giant shill for
>SOITEC. It's all copyright SOITEC (if you look at the bottom of the page). So anything
>from Advanced Substrate News should be treated as if it were directly coming from SOITEC's website.
>

No Semimd doesn't have Intel as sponsorship, and there is no soitec on the copyright banner... all their 5 sponsors indicated in the from page( which only one is SOITEC) *are in the FAB business, either be it for bulk or for SOI* (as another example GloFO stopped further new SOI developments until the 14nm(its their decision), and is one prime sponsor of Semimd).
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