Article: HP Likely to Win Lawsuit vs. HP

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By: Kira (kirsc.delete@this.aeterna.ru), August 6, 2012 12:44 am
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Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 6, 2012 1:33 am wrote:
> Kira (kirsc.delete@this.aeterna.ru) on August 5, 2012 5:45 pm wrote:
> >
> Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 5, 2012 2:55 pm
>
> > wrote:
> > > Kira (kirsc.delete@this.aeterna.ru) on August 5, 2012
> 2:26 pm
> > wrote:
> > > > mpx
> > >
> (mpx.delete@this.nomail.pl) on August 1, 2012 11:19
> > pm wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > defderdar
> >
> (derderdar.delete@this.mailinator.com) on August 1, 2012 2:52 pm
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> won't Oracle try to cripple
> > some
> > > performance on some
> >
> > > level
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Itanium
> > > does it by itself, there's no need for
> >
>
> > > > external intervention.
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > So
> if Itanium support should be
> > >
> > >
> > > killed because
> of its supposedly "crippling" performance, why on
> > earth should
> >
> >
> > > > Oracle keep supporting the (far slower) M-series
> >
> SPARC?
> > >
> > > I'd expect
> > > fully loaded M9000
> (64-socket SPARC64
> > VII+) to be approximately twice faster
> > >
> than fully loaded Superdome2
> > (32-socket Tukwila) in majority of
> commercial
> > > applications.
> > > Do you
> > have a hard data
> that could contradict my
> > > expectations?
> > >
> >
> > SPEC
>
> > indicates that Tukwila is significantly faster than S64 VII (albeit the
> slightly
> > older 2.66GHz
> > model):
> >
> >
> http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2010q4/cpu2006-20101206-13883.
> >
> html
> >
> http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2010q2/cpu2006-20100426-10756.html
> >
>
> >
>
> And TCP-H @1000GB indicates that SPARC64 VII+ is significantly faster
> than
> Tukwila:
> http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/tpch_result_detail.asp?id=111060301
> h
> ttp://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/tpch_result_detail.asp?id=110042601
>
> There is
> simply not enough of public data points to decisively conclude which of two
> chips is faster socket for socket. But, IMO, even the little data we have is
> sufficient to conclude that throughput-wise 32 Tukwila sockets can't match 64
> SPARC64 VII+ sockets.
>
> > There's also the fact that it's using DDR3, rather
> than S64's DDR2, and
> > doesn't seem to be depending on a shared bus, which
> S64 VII seems to still be
> > doing. I would be extremely surprised if a 64s
> M9K came out twice as fast as a
> > 32s SD2 in typical commercial
> applications.
>
> I also would be extremely surprised if M9k is twice, or even
> 1.5 times faster *over the board*. After all, most applications don't scale
> linearly with # of sockets.
> However, I would be even more surprised if HP
> manages to find just one popular commercial throughput benchmark in which
> (Tukwila-based) SD32 is faster than top M9K.
>

And, to provide a counterpoint to the TPC-H (which is a pretty grungy benchmark in a lot of ways), a 512GB 128-core Montecito Superdome manages to be about 15% slower than a 1TB 256-core S64 VII 2.88GHz M9K on SAP SD-2. (8-socket Power7 is better than both, for what it's worth...)

Claiming S64 VII is faster than Tuk just isn't supported by the data - it's very much a last-gen design, with a last-gen I/O subsystem.
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