By: rwessel (robertwessel.delete@this.yahoo.com), February 4, 2013 12:37 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 3, 2013 10:06 pm wrote:
> Patrick Chase (patrickjchase.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 3, 2013 7:40 pm wrote:
> > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 3, 2013 6:11 pm wrote:
> > > Patrick Chase (patrickjchase.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 3, 2013 4:29 pm wrote:
> > > > Paul A. Clayton (paaronclayton.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 2, 2013 11:10 am wrote:
> > >
> > > > > A clean RISC like Alpha (or--from what I have read--AArch64) would be much more friendly to fast bring-up
> > > > > of a decent microarchitecture. (Classic ARM seems to be somewhere in the middle--not as complex as x86 but
> > > > > not as simple as Alpha--, but even with Thumb2+classic ARM it might be closer to Alpha than to x86.)
> > > >
> > > > AArch64 is indeed a nice, classic RISC architecture. In particular they fixed the biggest
> > > > single limitation of classic ARM (spending instruction encoding bits on condition-based
> > > > predication at the expense of GPRs). I'd put it somewhere between MIPS and Alpha on
> > > > the "architectural purity scale", and that's a pretty good place to be.
> > >
> > > What are some aspects of the ISA that make it less clean than Alpha, would you say?
>
> Thanks for the answer.
>
> >
> > Continued reliance on condition flags.
>
> What is cleaner? GPR for comparison/branch?
I think most people would say yes. If nothing else, it lets you omit a whole rename mechanism for the flags register.
That being said there are better and worse ways to do that, and perhaps an even better alterative is a compare-and-branch instruction (although I wouldn’t want that as the only comparison instruction).
> Patrick Chase (patrickjchase.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 3, 2013 7:40 pm wrote:
> > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 3, 2013 6:11 pm wrote:
> > > Patrick Chase (patrickjchase.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 3, 2013 4:29 pm wrote:
> > > > Paul A. Clayton (paaronclayton.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 2, 2013 11:10 am wrote:
> > >
> > > > > A clean RISC like Alpha (or--from what I have read--AArch64) would be much more friendly to fast bring-up
> > > > > of a decent microarchitecture. (Classic ARM seems to be somewhere in the middle--not as complex as x86 but
> > > > > not as simple as Alpha--, but even with Thumb2+classic ARM it might be closer to Alpha than to x86.)
> > > >
> > > > AArch64 is indeed a nice, classic RISC architecture. In particular they fixed the biggest
> > > > single limitation of classic ARM (spending instruction encoding bits on condition-based
> > > > predication at the expense of GPRs). I'd put it somewhere between MIPS and Alpha on
> > > > the "architectural purity scale", and that's a pretty good place to be.
> > >
> > > What are some aspects of the ISA that make it less clean than Alpha, would you say?
>
> Thanks for the answer.
>
> >
> > Continued reliance on condition flags.
>
> What is cleaner? GPR for comparison/branch?
I think most people would say yes. If nothing else, it lets you omit a whole rename mechanism for the flags register.
That being said there are better and worse ways to do that, and perhaps an even better alterative is a compare-and-branch instruction (although I wouldn’t want that as the only comparison instruction).