ASP estimates

Article: Microservers must Specialize to Survive
By: Richard Cownie (tich.delete@this.pobox.com), February 4, 2013 5:01 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Daniel Bizo (fejenagy.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 4, 2013 3:45 pm wrote:
> Richard Cownie (tich.delete@this.pobox.com) on February 3, 2013 6:10 am wrote:
> > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 3, 2013 2:51 am wrote:
> > > Richard Cownie (tich.delete@this.pobox.com) on February 2, 2013 7:04 pm wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes. Which is still much too high to compete against current ARM-based
> > > > chips, at $17-21.
> > >
> > > Where do your numbers are coming from?
> > > If exynos4/5 and Tegra 3/4 are so cheap then how much does ST-Ericsson charge for their NovaThor chipsets?
> >
> > google "iPhone 5 BOM" and "Nexus 7 BOM". If you know which phones contain the NovaThor,
> > you may be able to find it similarly.
> >
>
> Those are mostly just best guesses, especially for vertically integrated design manufactureres, and depending
> on the source you chose, they can vary significantly.

I would agree the numbers are questionable, and if anyone cares to present evidence
for different numbers, I would welcome better information.

>Secondly, smartphone SoC ASP have been on the rise
> as a combination of increased integration (sorry if this was established somewhere in the thread already)
> AND emphasise on pushing up performance for ever better customer experience and richer apps.

I think that trend may reverse, because a) with A15/Krait-class cores in future,
together with better-optimized Android software, it seems that dual-core phones
will be sufficient for the vast majority of users; b) now that screen resolution
has reached 1080p, the pixel counts aren't likely to increase much further so the
GPU's don't need to get much faster (again, for the vast majority)

> Not only that Intel has made huge leaps towards much lower perf and power design points, but at

Yes, but from a starting point - Atom - that was far too high power.

> the same time, these smartphone design made similarly significant progress to Intel's traditional
> domain and comfort zone -- high-perf logic. While it's obvious that a smartphone as a form factor
> will never allow such high power points as a notebook or PC, the direction is very clear. This pursuit
> of performance and energy efficiency plays surprisingly well to Intel's hand, which basically has
> to competitive advantages: microarchitecture design and semiconductor manufacturing.

I remain skeptical about whether Intel really has a strength in microarchitecture
design for low-power devices - it seems to me that's a very different problem than
high-end core design, and also one where both ARM cores, and AMD's Bobcat, seem
arguably as good as Intel's efforts so far.
>
> Even Qualcomm can only have a fraction of the financial and engineering resources of Intel's to
> compete against the overlapping 4-5 Atom and low power 'big core' design teams (for tablets), and
> the process disadvantage is going to be painful in 12, and demoralising is 24 months time.

The process disadvantage only comes into play if Intel is willing to use bleeding-edge
fab capacity for sub-$20 ASP smartphone chips instead of over-$60 laptop chips,
which seems very questionable (even given the likely ratios of die area, the revenue
per mm2 would seem unlikely to favor the smartphone chips).

It seems that part of the reason why they sold XScale in 2006 was that it couldn't
compete effectively against TI and others on old fabs, and they weren't willing to use the
new fabs for a low-margin product. Possibly that changes if the decline of x86
continues, we'll see.
>
> I don't think the question is how Intel is going to compete in chips. The question is the route to
> the market for smartphones.

It's the same thing, isn't it ? They can make good chips, but can they sell them
at a price they'll be happy with ? There seem to be quite a lot of non-technical
obstacles to achieving anything Intel would count as "success" - viz, enough revenue
*and* gross margin to keep building big fabs even as x86 declines.

>With Apple and Samsung locking down the overwhelming majority of the market,
> and with only a handful of other players, it will take a lot of persuasion and commitment on Intel's
> part to convince any of the larger players to shift. Intel was too late for both Nokia's and RIM's
> re-launch, Apple prefers in-house, with Samsung also showing such attitude with the flagship products.
> Intel will have the best performing chips soon, but who will care enough to buy it?
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                                                          Thank you very much!Paul A. Clayton2013/03/07 07:59 PM
                                                            Thank you very much!David Hess2013/03/07 11:22 PM
                                                              Thank you very much!gallier22013/03/08 01:43 AM
                                                                Thank you very much!David Hess2013/03/08 11:24 AM
                                                                  Thank you very much!Ungo2013/03/08 04:37 PM
                                                                    Thank you very much!David Hess2013/03/08 08:47 PM
                                                            Thank you very much!Ricardo B2013/03/08 05:07 AM
                                                              ARM lackings a historical accident?Paul A. Clayton2013/03/08 08:54 AM
                                                                ARM lackings a historical accident?Ricardo B2013/03/08 03:33 PM
                                                          What is wrong with ARM?Michael S2013/03/08 06:25 AM
                                                            What is wrong with ARM?David Hess2013/03/08 12:37 PM
                                                            What is wrong with ARM?dmsc2013/03/12 03:47 PM
                                                          What is wrong with ARM?dmsc2013/03/12 03:43 PM
                                                      ARMv8 cleanlinessMichael S2013/03/02 05:06 PM
                                                    ParityAndi Kleen2013/03/03 01:47 PM
                                                      ParityLinus Torvalds2013/03/03 03:06 PM
                                                        ParityAndi Kleen2013/03/03 07:15 PM
                                            Except the borrow bitMatthew D2013/02/26 12:07 AM
                                              Except the borrow bitrwessel2013/02/26 12:42 AM
                                              Except the borrow bitLinus Torvalds2013/02/26 11:13 AM
                                                are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Michael S2013/02/27 04:24 PM
                                                  are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Linus Torvalds2013/02/27 05:41 PM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Michael S2013/02/28 01:39 AM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?2013/03/01 10:23 AM
                                                  are ZSCO flags really fundamental?EduardoS2013/02/27 11:07 PM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Michael S2013/02/28 04:58 AM
                                                  are ZSCO flags really fundamental?rwessel2013/02/28 12:29 AM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?rwessel2013/02/28 12:32 AM
                                                    Bit numbering on big endian machinesKonrad Schwarz2013/02/28 01:49 AM
                                                      Bit numbering on big endian machinesrwessel2013/02/28 02:32 AM
                                          ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 05:54 AM
                                            ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 06:24 AM
                                              ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 07:36 AM
                                                ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 01:06 PM
                                                  ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 05:24 PM
                                                    ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 05:55 PM
                                                    Utility of data loss exceptionsPaul A. Clayton2013/02/25 08:18 PM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsrwessel2013/02/26 01:00 AM
                                                        Excessively expensive mode changingPaul A. Clayton2013/02/26 06:15 AM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsEduardoS2013/02/26 02:55 AM
                                                        Utility of data loss exceptionsTREZA2013/02/26 04:53 AM
                                                          Utility of data loss exceptionsEduardoS2013/02/26 05:37 AM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsEtienne2013/02/26 06:01 AM
                                            1b vs. 4b not a huge difference?Paul A. Clayton2013/02/25 09:57 AM
                                  Possible benefit of multi-bit CCPaul A. Clayton2013/02/23 08:09 AM
                                ARMv8 cleanlinessrwessel2013/02/18 12:01 AM
                                  ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/18 05:33 PM
                                    ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/18 08:18 PM
                                      ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 06:19 AM
                      ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/15 04:21 AM
                      ARMv8 cleanliness2013/02/17 10:49 AM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessLinus Torvalds2013/02/17 11:54 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessLinus Torvalds2013/02/17 11:58 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessnone2013/02/17 04:36 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/17 11:59 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/17 12:30 PM
                            and-compare and or-comparePaul A. Clayton2013/02/17 05:28 PM
                              early branch resolutionanon2013/02/18 02:05 AM
                                My ignorance about compilers is vasterPaul A. Clayton2013/02/18 01:30 PM
                                early branch resolutionanon2013/02/18 05:12 PM
                              early branch resolution?EBFE2013/02/19 01:03 AM
                                Early resolution: some but limited potentialPaul A. Clayton2013/02/19 05:52 PM
                                  Early resolution: some but limited potentialhobold2013/02/20 02:02 PM
                                    PPC750 was an inspirationPaul A. Clayton2013/02/23 08:09 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/17 01:53 PM
                            ARMv8 cleanlinessExophase2013/02/17 04:49 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/17 12:07 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessbakaneko2013/02/17 12:43 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessJouni Osmala2013/02/17 01:10 PM
                          -1 comparison true seems betterPaul A. Clayton2013/02/17 06:07 PM
                  ARMv8 cleanlinessEtienne2013/07/17 02:58 AM
      ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Per Hesselgren2013/02/05 12:13 AM
        ARM server benchmark- why Apache?anon2013/02/05 12:38 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Per Hesselgren2013/02/05 01:25 AM
            ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/05 02:13 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/05 01:51 AM
          I think that was debunked alreadyDavid Kanter2013/02/05 07:36 PM
        ARM server benchmark- why Apache?bakaneko2013/02/06 02:37 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/06 03:43 AM
            Marketing to PHBs?Paul A. Clayton2013/02/06 06:40 AM
            ARM server benchmark- why Apache?bakaneko2013/02/06 07:08 AM
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