are ZSCO flags really fundamental?

Article: Microservers must Specialize to Survive
By: EduardoS (no.delete@this.spam.com), February 27, 2013 11:07 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 27, 2013 4:24 pm wrote:
> I say 12 rather than 14, because I don't think that negative/non-negative conditions are really fundamental.

The sign flag helps some times and is essentially free.

> Now, do we really need 4 flag bits in order to implement 12 (or even all 14) fundamental
> conditions? No, we don't. Up to 64 conditions, including all 14 defined in x86/ARM?SPARC,
> can be easyly derived from just 7 distinct states = 3 bits.
> For example, like those:
> 0 - unsigned_less && signed_less. Implied non-overflow && negative
> 1 - unsigned_less && signed_greater && non-overflow. Implied non-negative
> 2 - unsigned_less && signed_greater && overflow. Implied negative
> 3 - unsigned_greater && signed_less && non-overflow. Implied negative
> 4 - unsigned_greater && signed_less && overflow. Implied non-negative
> 5 - unsigned_greater && signed_greater. Implied non-overflow && non-negative
> 6 - equal. Implied non-overflow && non-negative

Encoding in three bits have the same "advantage" of killing the sign flag at the expense of more complex (and time consuming) flag calculation, but the sign flag is free, so no real gain, also... 3 bitsT allow up to 8 resulting states, but there are 9, no?

mov eax, 1
add eax, 1

Non-Zero
Non-Negative
Non-Carry
Non-Overflow

mov eax, 0
add eax, 0

Zero
Non-Negative
Non-Carry
Non-Overflow

mov eax, -1
add eax, 2

Non-Zero
Non-Negative
Carry
Non-Overflow

mov eax, -1
add eax, 1

Zero
Non-Negative
Carry
Non-Overflow

mov eax, 80000000h
add eax, 80000000h

Zero
Non-Negative
Carry
Overflow

mov eax, 80000001h
add eax, 80000000h

Non-Zero
Non-Negative
Carry
Overflow

mov eax, -2
add eax, 1

Non-Zero
Negative
Non-Carry
Non-Overflow

mov eax, 70000000h
add eax, 70000000h

Non-Zero
Negative
Non-Carry
Overflow

mov eax, -1
add eax, -1

Non-Zero
Negative
Carry
Non-Overflow
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                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Michael S2013/02/28 01:39 AM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?2013/03/01 10:23 AM
                                                  are ZSCO flags really fundamental?EduardoS2013/02/27 11:07 PM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?Michael S2013/02/28 04:58 AM
                                                  are ZSCO flags really fundamental?rwessel2013/02/28 12:29 AM
                                                    are ZSCO flags really fundamental?rwessel2013/02/28 12:32 AM
                                                    Bit numbering on big endian machinesKonrad Schwarz2013/02/28 01:49 AM
                                                      Bit numbering on big endian machinesrwessel2013/02/28 02:32 AM
                                          ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 05:54 AM
                                            ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 06:24 AM
                                              ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 07:36 AM
                                                ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 01:06 PM
                                                  ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 05:24 PM
                                                    ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/25 05:55 PM
                                                    Utility of data loss exceptionsPaul A. Clayton2013/02/25 08:18 PM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsrwessel2013/02/26 01:00 AM
                                                        Excessively expensive mode changingPaul A. Clayton2013/02/26 06:15 AM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsEduardoS2013/02/26 02:55 AM
                                                        Utility of data loss exceptionsTREZA2013/02/26 04:53 AM
                                                          Utility of data loss exceptionsEduardoS2013/02/26 05:37 AM
                                                      Utility of data loss exceptionsEtienne2013/02/26 06:01 AM
                                            1b vs. 4b not a huge difference?Paul A. Clayton2013/02/25 09:57 AM
                                  Possible benefit of multi-bit CCPaul A. Clayton2013/02/23 08:09 AM
                                ARMv8 cleanlinessrwessel2013/02/18 12:01 AM
                                  ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/18 05:33 PM
                                    ARMv8 cleanlinessEduardoS2013/02/18 08:18 PM
                                      ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/25 06:19 AM
                      ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/15 04:21 AM
                      ARMv8 cleanliness2013/02/17 10:49 AM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessLinus Torvalds2013/02/17 11:54 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessLinus Torvalds2013/02/17 11:58 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessnone2013/02/17 04:36 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/17 11:59 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/17 12:30 PM
                            and-compare and or-comparePaul A. Clayton2013/02/17 05:28 PM
                              early branch resolutionanon2013/02/18 02:05 AM
                                My ignorance about compilers is vasterPaul A. Clayton2013/02/18 01:30 PM
                                early branch resolutionanon2013/02/18 05:12 PM
                              early branch resolution?EBFE2013/02/19 01:03 AM
                                Early resolution: some but limited potentialPaul A. Clayton2013/02/19 05:52 PM
                                  Early resolution: some but limited potentialhobold2013/02/20 02:02 PM
                                    PPC750 was an inspirationPaul A. Clayton2013/02/23 08:09 AM
                          ARMv8 cleanlinessTREZA2013/02/17 01:53 PM
                            ARMv8 cleanlinessExophase2013/02/17 04:49 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessWilco2013/02/17 12:07 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessbakaneko2013/02/17 12:43 PM
                        ARMv8 cleanlinessJouni Osmala2013/02/17 01:10 PM
                          -1 comparison true seems betterPaul A. Clayton2013/02/17 06:07 PM
                  ARMv8 cleanlinessEtienne2013/07/17 02:58 AM
      ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Per Hesselgren2013/02/05 12:13 AM
        ARM server benchmark- why Apache?anon2013/02/05 12:38 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Per Hesselgren2013/02/05 01:25 AM
            ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/05 02:13 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/05 01:51 AM
          I think that was debunked alreadyDavid Kanter2013/02/05 07:36 PM
        ARM server benchmark- why Apache?bakaneko2013/02/06 02:37 AM
          ARM server benchmark- why Apache?Michael S2013/02/06 03:43 AM
            Marketing to PHBs?Paul A. Clayton2013/02/06 06:40 AM
            ARM server benchmark- why Apache?bakaneko2013/02/06 07:08 AM
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