Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM code

By: mas (mas769.delete@this.hotmail.com), August 21, 2013 6:10 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Ronald Maas (rmaas.delete@this.wiwo.nl) on August 21, 2013 12:38 pm wrote:
> Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org) on August 20, 2013 8:15 pm wrote:
> > Ronald Maas (rmaas.delete@this.wiwo.nl) on August 20, 2013 5:42 pm wrote:
> > > Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org) on August 20, 2013 10:58 am wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's see how ARM64 goes in comparison.
> > >
> > > I expact that the vast majority of upcoming ARMv8 implementations will implement both Aarch32 and Aarch64.
> > > For the pretty much the same reasons why AMD had to choose to support legacy 16/32 bit code - to protect
> > > investments in existing legacy code base which may take a while to be phase out completely.
> >
> > You missed the other part of the equation: there needs to be no downside to upgrading. Which
> > was how x86-64 got a toe in the market: it didn't just support legacy mode, it did so with
> > no downsides. AMD did the top chip at the time even for legacy mode applications.
> >
> > And that is not at all clearly the case for ARMv8. We'll have to see.
> >
> > So ARMv8 needs to at least match the best ARMv7 chips even on legacy code, which sounds unlikely. And
> > part of the reason I say "unlikely" is that in the segment ARM competes, power use is a big deal.
>
> ARM promises on their web site that A57 has better performance and better power efficiency
> compared to A15 for certain 32-bit benchmarks. Similar for A53 and A9. I guess that is a positive.
> Only thing it is difficult to assess right now is how much performance / efficiency improvements
> are related to the new architecture vs. moving from 28 nm to 20 nm process.
>
> >
> > And if ARMv8 implementations don't do that, then why would people pick it? For microservers
> > that need 64-bit, and don't care about legacy, yes. But then it needs to compete against
> > x86 in that market, and it's not all that clear that it can. The power story in that
> > market was always a bit shaky to begin with, and Intel is shoring up.
> >
> > The bigger market is obviously mobile, and there the question is whether ARMv8 is power-competitive
> > and whether 64-bit is a sufficient advantage. In a few years, I suspect 64 bits will start
> > to be an issue even in mobile (PAE gets to be painful), but with the power story, it's at
> > the same time a bit harder to make the kind of argument AMD did with x86-64.
> >
> > And maybe ARMv8 has other advantages. We'll see. I just don't think it's necessarily clear-cut.
> >
> > And btw, don't get me wrong. Go back and search the archives of this very board several years
> > ago when I was arguing against Itanium. I made it very clear back then that I thought the
> > only way to overtake x86 is to come from below, not do what Itanium (and all the other traditional
> > RISCs did), and said that I thought ARM was the best chance of dethroning x86.
> >
> > I still believe that, but at the same time I don't buy
> > into the crazy people who think it's going to be easy
> > or obvious, or who think that ARM is somehow inherently the better architecture. Because that's just BS.
> >
> > The advantage ARM has - and the only advantage it ever had - is exactly the same advantage
> > that x86 had: a lower-end market growing up. Because in the end it's not about technology,
> > it's about the market forces. But you have to balance that advantage against the disadvantage
> > of competing against Intel. That's a pretty damn big market force too.
> >
> > Linus
>
> Agree with most what you said. Only thing is I am not so optimistic about Intel's chances to successfully
> defend their most profitable market segments against the hordes of upcoming ARM based companies.
>
> Specifically server space and consumer PCs will be a tough battle for Intel. Although I do believe Intel
> will remain the best choice from a pure single thread performance perspective, that is probably a much
>
> smaller market than most people believe.

Single thread performance has primarily determined PC sales since the beginning and that will not change going forward. Top bin Haswell has about 6x better performance than top bin A15/A57. AMD is much much closer in performance and cheaper yet it has done nothing but hang on in a money losing fashion to Intel's coattails. The primary threat of ARM is not direct competition but indirectly by delaying/canceling a potential PC purchase when a smartphone/tablet is bought. Intel has finally whipped Atom into competitive shape so that it can be in that tablet or smartphone. This is more a form factor revolution than an architectural/business model one.

A bunch of overclockers living in their
> parent's basement is not going to sustain a huge business like Intel.
>
> Except power usage, cost competitiveness is an often overlooked factor when comparing ARM against x86.
> I believe as long as Intel has the benefit of 22nm FINFET compared to other fabs, they are able to
>
> compete successfully with ARM on a performance per Watt metric in some areas. But it take

Evey actual test I have seen has shown that low voltage Core processors are already competitive and an 8-core Avoton Atom should become the clear leader.

them a significant
> more effort and money to do so. Simply because designing and validating x86 CPU is much much more
>
> harder thing to do compared to designing and validating an ARMv8 CPU (especially
> when you have discretion to implement Aarch64 only and forget about legacy).
>
> Also after TSMC moves to FINFET, Intel will likely loose much of its competitive edge it currently enjoys.
> Reason is moving from planar transisters to FINFET provides a huge jump in power reduction that (as
>
> far as I know now) cannot be easily repeated moving to smaller geometries. Because of its simplicity,
> an ARM CPU on 14 nm FINFET at that time may easily outperform an Intel CPU on 10 nm FINFET from both
>
> performance / watt and performance / dollar perspective.

Not a chance. All the so called 14/16nm foundry FinFET processes have a 20nm backend and won't be arriving until 2015. In 2015 Intel will be in full 14nm ramp. Process sizes are over an overrated factor compared to design anyway and Intel have a good one with Silvermont. Intel has already worked out FinFETs, double-patterning etc way before the Foundries just like it did strained silicon and high k metal gates before them.


>
> Even if Intel does the unthinkable, and decided to produce simplified x86 CPUs (for example x86_64 long
> mode only, no AVX, etc.) for certain markets, Intel still needs to rake in more than 50 billion a
>
> dollar a year to keep share holders happy. And that may be Intel's archilles heel. Because suddenly smaller
> more agile companies are able to erode Intel's market share simply by providing equal or better
>
> solutions at a much lower price point.
>

Simply said but history has proven quite conclusively almost impossible to achieve. ARM has already overcooked it with A15 which generally has worse performance/power than A9 and will make it vulnerable to Silvermont from below and LV Haswell-Ys from above. This is why ARM are doing A12 to backtrack to a better performance/power sweet-spot.

> Corporate decision makers don't give a damn about instruction sets (definitely agree with you on that).
> But usually these people are sensitive to TCO, and inevitably will head for the lowest cost
>
> option as long as it is good enough to run the shop. My gut feel
> tells me that lowest cost option will not be Intel based.
>
> It is an evolutionary process that happened over and over again in the past. And I do not see any reason
> why this is suddenly going to change in the future. Intel did it themselves in the nineties starting
>
> with their brilliant Pentium Pro design where they single handedly beat the established UNIX based solution
> providers in the both the server and HPC space. Now it is Intel's turn to carry a big bulls eye on
>
> its back. It is definitely going to be interesting to watch how this unfolds over the next 10-15 years.

Not quite the same as over time Xeon achieved the best integer single-thread performance. It was not all about the price. If it was AMD and VIA would have inherited the PC world.

Don't worry about Intel, it's big and ugly enough to take care of itself and the ARM competition will have done it and general consumers good in the long run just like AMD did. ARM is going to be celeronized eventually by better quality x86 cores but not before the cost of computing has been brought down considerably for World consumers. Why do you think Warren East left ARM, he knew the ARM mobile monopoly was finished as soon as Intel had got x86 into a phone form factor.
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                                                    Separate instruction and data registers BAD or NOT, m68kMegol2013/09/04 07:04 AM
                                                      Separate instruction and data registers BAD or NOT, m68kBrett2013/09/04 11:27 PM
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                                                                        John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Brett2013/09/08 07:48 PM
                                                                          John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Jouni Osmala2013/09/09 06:26 AM
                                                                            John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Brett2013/09/13 04:51 PM
                                                                              John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Megol2013/09/14 09:56 AM
                                                                      John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Eugene Nalimov2013/09/08 06:59 PM
                                                                        John Mashey post is sorta relevant ...Brett2013/09/08 07:55 PM
                                                                        Renesas RX vs x86/68K/VAXMichael S2013/09/09 06:15 AM
                                                  Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/31 11:09 AM
                                                    Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeLinus Torvalds2013/08/31 11:34 AM
                                                      Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/31 12:26 PM
                                                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeLinus Torvalds2013/08/31 02:12 PM
                                                          Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/31 03:49 PM
                                                    Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codegallier22013/08/31 12:15 PM
                              Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeRonald Maas2013/08/21 11:54 PM
                                Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codemas2013/08/22 01:10 AM
                                Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMichael S2013/08/22 02:47 AM
                                  Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codemas2013/08/22 03:17 AM
                              Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeGabriele Svelto2013/08/22 07:53 AM
                      Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMr. Camel2013/08/23 06:33 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMichael S2013/08/23 07:03 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/23 07:39 AM
                          Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeRonald Maas2013/08/23 10:13 AM
                            Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/23 10:28 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM coderwessel2013/08/23 10:14 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/15 08:35 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Carlie Coats2013/08/21 12:31 PM
              Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelDoug S2013/08/16 09:50 AM
                LPAE is here now!Mark Roulo2013/08/16 10:45 AM
                  LPAE is here now!Patrick Chase2013/08/16 12:29 PM
                    LPAE is here now!anon2013/08/16 06:11 PM
                Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelRicardo B2013/08/17 10:52 AM
                  Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelLinus Torvalds2013/08/17 11:09 AM
                    Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelMax2013/08/18 02:57 PM
                Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelCarlie Coats2013/08/21 12:46 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Ungo2013/08/15 12:59 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/15 07:39 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 08:04 PM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 09:01 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Jukka Larja2013/08/16 06:54 AM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 07:29 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/16 11:34 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/17 11:18 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/17 11:35 AM
                  16 vs 32 general purpose registersMark Roulo2013/08/17 11:40 AM
                    16 vs 32 general purpose registersMichael S2013/08/17 02:55 PM
                      16 vs 32 general purpose registersPatrick Chase2013/08/18 04:55 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/17 05:30 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/17 12:49 PM
                  > 32 general purpose registersMark Roulo2013/08/17 01:58 PM
                    > 32 general purpose registersMichael S2013/08/17 02:25 PM
                    > 32 general purpose registersPatrick Chase2013/08/17 03:11 PM
                      > 32 general purpose registersExophase2013/08/18 10:17 AM
                        IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registers (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/18 02:51 PM
                          IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersExophase2013/08/18 09:28 PM
                            IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersMichael S2013/08/19 02:17 AM
                              IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersExophase2013/08/19 08:42 AM
                    > 32 general purpose registersDoug S2013/08/18 12:21 AM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/17 11:20 AM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Gabriele Svelto2013/08/18 02:12 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Exophase2013/08/18 09:35 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 03:29 PM
      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 03:15 PM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?none2013/08/20 03:31 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 04:08 PM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/20 03:49 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 05:53 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/20 07:52 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 12:21 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 06:17 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 07:05 AM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 07:27 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?none2013/08/21 07:53 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 08:02 AM
                          XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 12:36 PM
                            XScale wasn't synthesizableMichael S2013/08/21 02:00 PM
                              XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 03:02 PM
                              XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 03:11 PM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 08:45 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/22 04:08 AM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/20 10:47 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 07:32 AM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 08:37 AM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 11:45 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/21 12:02 PM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 12:27 PM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 12:47 PM
                      Is simplistic prediction still prediction?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/21 03:59 PM
                        Is simplistic prediction still prediction?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:16 PM
                          More like always not-taken, but yeah lame prediction (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/22 01:27 PM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/21 04:25 PM
                        Athlon did something similar (but no dirty special case)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/21 07:47 PM
                          Athlon did something similar (but no dirty special case)Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:13 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 11:56 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:29 PM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/22 01:40 PM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/22 12:45 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Niels Jørgen Kruse2013/08/22 02:38 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/22 02:58 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 08:44 AM
                        Are you sure P4 used IP-based way prediction?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/22 02:04 PM
                          Are you sure P4 used IP-based way prediction?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 03:40 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/24 10:19 AM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Anon2013/08/25 01:15 AM
                            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/25 07:49 PM
                              Replay tornadoes? Paul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:43 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/25 04:22 PM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anonymou52013/08/25 04:35 PM
                            I have the date and topic for a P4 Dcache postPaul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:34 PM
                              Obviously that should have been "anonymous (no@spam.com)" (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:45 PM
                              I have the date and topic for a P4 Dcache postPatrick Chase2013/08/26 09:04 AM
                                Could you provide a link?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/26 10:32 AM
                                  Could you provide a link?Patrick Chase2013/08/26 10:43 AM
                                    Thanks. I had a text copy without url.Paul A. Clayton2013/08/26 03:20 PM
                                      Thanks. I had a text copy without url.Patrick Chase2013/08/26 06:53 PM
                            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/25 09:37 PM
                              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?David Kanter2013/08/26 02:31 PM
                              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/27 05:11 PM
                                I think even later P4s used width pipelining (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/27 06:20 PM
    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Vincent Diepeveen2013/08/26 05:04 AM
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