By: mas (mas769.delete@this.hotmail.com), August 22, 2013 2:52 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
none (none.delete@this.none.com) on August 22, 2013 2:38 am wrote:
> mas (mas769.delete@this.hotmail.com) on August 22, 2013 2:26 am wrote:
> [...]
> > I did not say Intel would crush it, where did you get that
> > from ? I basically pointed out that MIPS has been
> > successfully competing against Xeons for some time now in networks. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
>
> This is not what you wrote:
>
> http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=135373&curpostid=135664
> "It was to point out that modern x86 is already fighting modern MIPS
> on its home turf which I thought I had made clear earlier."
>
Neither of those two statements are mutually exclusive. Fighting does not necessarily mean crushing. Your reading comprehension is still lacking.
> > I have looked at many MIPS implementations for the licensed
> > cores to the bespoke cores like Broadcom, Cavium,
> > Ingenic etc do. Invariably they consistently get the most performance/watt/area compared to the competition
> > which is why MIPS based chips still survive with no pro-active software/vendor support, they just work well
> > and are hard to displace on pure technical ability. It also helps
> > that a sophisticated variable many-way multi-threading
> > is standard in the ISA, a feature totally lacking in any current or future ARM implementation.
>
> So why did Broadcom and Cavium both pick an ARMv8 (64-bit ARM) architecture license?
>
Perhaps they think they need differentiation in future mobile chips. Who knows and frankly who cares, until an actual design tips up it means nothing remembering Intel and Microsoft also have architectural licensees which they have never used.
> I'm not trying to say ARM will enter this kind of market. I am trying to
> understand where your claim that MIPS will enter the ARM market comes from.
I never said that, I just said they made more efficient processors and that they will defend their core markets well. Are you theblueredmonk ? Take your ARMH pump hat off and just reply to what I actually write than what you think I wrote.
> mas (mas769.delete@this.hotmail.com) on August 22, 2013 2:26 am wrote:
> [...]
> > I did not say Intel would crush it, where did you get that
> > from ? I basically pointed out that MIPS has been
> > successfully competing against Xeons for some time now in networks. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
>
> This is not what you wrote:
>
> http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=135373&curpostid=135664
> "It was to point out that modern x86 is already fighting modern MIPS
> on its home turf which I thought I had made clear earlier."
>
Neither of those two statements are mutually exclusive. Fighting does not necessarily mean crushing. Your reading comprehension is still lacking.
> > I have looked at many MIPS implementations for the licensed
> > cores to the bespoke cores like Broadcom, Cavium,
> > Ingenic etc do. Invariably they consistently get the most performance/watt/area compared to the competition
> > which is why MIPS based chips still survive with no pro-active software/vendor support, they just work well
> > and are hard to displace on pure technical ability. It also helps
> > that a sophisticated variable many-way multi-threading
> > is standard in the ISA, a feature totally lacking in any current or future ARM implementation.
>
> So why did Broadcom and Cavium both pick an ARMv8 (64-bit ARM) architecture license?
>
Perhaps they think they need differentiation in future mobile chips. Who knows and frankly who cares, until an actual design tips up it means nothing remembering Intel and Microsoft also have architectural licensees which they have never used.
> I'm not trying to say ARM will enter this kind of market. I am trying to
> understand where your claim that MIPS will enter the ARM market comes from.
I never said that, I just said they made more efficient processors and that they will defend their core markets well. Are you theblueredmonk ? Take your ARMH pump hat off and just reply to what I actually write than what you think I wrote.
