An elaborate theory of why AMD64 succeeded

By: Vincent Diepeveen (diep.delete@this.xs4all.nl), August 31, 2013 2:24 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
⚛ (0xe2.0x9a.0x9b.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 21, 2013 4:12 am wrote:

[snip : about why x86 would be ok]

> You did not carefully read my post. The model I described does work if the computer has for example
> 32 GiB physical memory (which is 8x more than the 32-bit address space). The applications you
> mentioned can be split into multiple 32-bit processes: Media editing can be very easily split
> into multiple 32-bit processes. If you put a two-stage application-level "page table" into a database
> application, you can easily divide it into multiple 32-bit processes/threads. Etc.

hi, when my chessprogram was strong and was on some millions of CDroms i tended to get every other day at online forums, guys telling me how bad my program was.

Please note that many authors of such software have their software run under many different product names, that limits the number of idiots saying things like that dramatically, as they aren't understanding this (hah even the grandmasters are not so clever there - some even claim that some product A plays stronger chess than product B even though B has the 100% same engine just under a different name).

What you wrote here is not nice towards Linus here to tell him why something that is totally dominating every other computer and in future in Android form even more, the entire planet. He already knows what's bad you know...

If you would address security of OS-es or better their insecurity, that would be a different, yet more valid subject... ...32 vs 64 bits is not however.

Also you seem to forget something of huge importance. It's called MARKETING. You can design cars you know that do not have electric windows. Yet suppose you would design a line of cars where entire line, even the most expensive version of it, has a perfect car, just a manual operated window. Your car will get a VERY BAD name in the long term. You will really have 0 sales of your most expensive line in the long term. Sure you have a few years to recover from that, yet sales will really limit your options and force you to build electric windows into your cars.

Marketing on this planet is everything as it gets inhabited by humans who for 99% are not so clever unlike most posters in this forum (ignoring the social skillset). Even worse 95% just prefers to be a hippopotamus in the river Nile and have a happy life and worry about nothing. So if they hear about a feature '64 bits', then if they can choose between 2 products and one of them is '64 bits' and faster according to the salesman and the other is not, they'll go for the '64 bits' product. They simply are NOT interested in figuring out what it means. They get a computer or nowadays expensive mobile phone, that can do everything and it has to have everything that is in fashion and further they just DO NOT CARE.

The way to effective market a new feature is show up with something that works better and then claim that's because of new feature X, even though we all know as technicians that's bollocks in todays industrial engineered performance world, yet that's how you convince the hippo's.

As for the 2GB/4GB limit in OS-es maybe you should write a parallel program.

You real soon hit the 2GB limit the OSes have for 32 bits programs when you multiproces.

Let me give you as an example my chessprogram Diep.

Initially to run it parallel i needed to run it in the same virtual address space as the search is SMP. Nearly all chessprograms on the planet do not implement a SMP search even though they claim so; practically they implement an ASYMMETRIC form of search, where the starting proces owns the recursions values. Diep does not. So the search positions are located in the shared memory as every proces is equal as far as the search is concerned. Not a problem at Unix nor Linux nor IRIX, to mention just a few OSes it ran at many processors, yet BIG problem at windows, as of course the most efficient way to reference memory is using pointers.

That means processes have to run in the same address space. Not a problem in linux, BIG problems in windows.

If i share a 400MB hashtable i can just run 8 processes, as in total that's 3.2GB of RAM. Both 32 bits as well as 64 bits. More than 400MB not working simply.

Yet that MEANS that in windows i already couldn't start it some years ago, as you must multiply the address space.

8 x 400MB = 3.2GB so that would just work.

Later on i rewrote my program, just because of the bugs windows has, to use anonymous shared memory. So i manually by hand index and no longer use pointers to reference the shared memory as then it would need to be in the same virtual address space.

That was a lot of work and i bet it slowed down the programs code a tad as well.

Even then it could happen in windows that if i started up my program, somehow, even when things were not done via pagefile, that it just was factor 1000 slower.

Now if we use shared anonymous memory for data storage and do not use pointers, which is stupid in itself, yet that's the huge rewrite i did do of the code just for the stupidity of windows, then in 32 bits mode i can never use more than 400MB hashtable even though the very popular 2 socket systems in game tree search all had 8 processes pretty soon.

Myself first time i stumbled upon this problem was 2002/2003.

Internally the OS is doing the calculation: processes * total RAM usage, and ignores that things are shared.

Example. If i have 2GB of RAM and 2GB of pagefile then the next operation will fail:

using 8 processes with 1GB of shared hashtable.

8 * 1 + (8 * what the processes use local) > 2 + 2

Now there is ways around it, by setting a huge pagefile.

So realize in reality in the above example we're just using a shared 1GB hashtable across all processes so the total memory usage in reality, all processes added up is factual under 2 GB RAM. The 1GB in fact is 10^9 here and the 2GB ram is a power of 2, i'm not very careful there.

Now further my box actually has 8GB of RAM, so i want to allocate that as a shared hashtable between the processes and i've got 8 processes.

So if we leave 2 GB free we have roughly 6GB / 8 processes of shared memory.

Obviously i can only do that only in 64 bits.

Suppose however i have 4GB ram and i want to use in 32 bits 3GB of that shared across 8 processes.

That's total impossible, as the limit is practical 2GB not 4GB.

There are no solutions there multiprocessing (so not multithreading) to do that, sharing those 3GB across 8 processes under windows in a manner that it works generic for every user i got, without them having to do something freakish as modifying startup parameters of the windows kernel which they simply won't manage and instead flood the helpdesk.

The limit is not 4GB therefore in 32 bits, it's 2GB PRACTICAL.

The OS fails to simply multiproces using 8 processes using more than 400MB shared hashtable, as 8 * 400MB = 3.2GB already.

Means i have a single 400MB block at a 4GB system shared across 8 processes
which is stupid in itself.

I want to use obviously a 3GB memory block shared across all processes. When having 8 processes however that can only be done in 64 bits and doesn't work in 32 bits.

There is no way to get that to work in windows. Practically i have a limit of 1GB memory block as the maximum for 8 processes.

At my 16 CPU box (4 sockets), it doesn't have all those problems of course as it runs linux exclusively, because of financial reasons (and for the same reason Android-Linux is conquering the market by storm), yet installing a 32 bits OS there would be utmost stupidity.

Note my program in 64 bits is 10% slower than in 32 bits.

The above examples of using extra RAM gives an algorithmic boost to game tree search, so that 10% is assuming we use the same amount of hashtables.

400MB already was very little by 2001 standards.
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                                    An elaborate theory of why AMD64 succeededanon2013/08/21 09:04 AM
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                                  An elaborate theory of why AMD64 succeededrwessel2013/08/21 01:53 PM
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                                                    Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codegallier22013/08/31 12:15 PM
                              Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeRonald Maas2013/08/21 11:54 PM
                                Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codemas2013/08/22 01:10 AM
                                Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMichael S2013/08/22 02:47 AM
                                  Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codemas2013/08/22 03:17 AM
                              Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeGabriele Svelto2013/08/22 07:53 AM
                      Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMr. Camel2013/08/23 06:33 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeMichael S2013/08/23 07:03 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/23 07:39 AM
                          Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeRonald Maas2013/08/23 10:13 AM
                            Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM codeEduardoS2013/08/23 10:28 AM
                        Initial 64-bit ARM *can* run older 32-bit ARM coderwessel2013/08/23 10:14 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/15 08:35 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Carlie Coats2013/08/21 12:31 PM
              Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelDoug S2013/08/16 09:50 AM
                LPAE is here now!Mark Roulo2013/08/16 10:45 AM
                  LPAE is here now!Patrick Chase2013/08/16 12:29 PM
                    LPAE is here now!anon2013/08/16 06:11 PM
                Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelRicardo B2013/08/17 10:52 AM
                  Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelLinus Torvalds2013/08/17 11:09 AM
                    Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelMax2013/08/18 02:57 PM
                Mixing 32b and 64b code in a kernelCarlie Coats2013/08/21 12:46 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Ungo2013/08/15 12:59 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/15 07:39 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 08:04 PM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 09:01 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Jukka Larja2013/08/16 06:54 AM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/15 07:29 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/16 11:34 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/17 11:18 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/17 11:35 AM
                  16 vs 32 general purpose registersMark Roulo2013/08/17 11:40 AM
                    16 vs 32 general purpose registersMichael S2013/08/17 02:55 PM
                      16 vs 32 general purpose registersPatrick Chase2013/08/18 04:55 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/17 05:30 PM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/17 12:49 PM
                  > 32 general purpose registersMark Roulo2013/08/17 01:58 PM
                    > 32 general purpose registersMichael S2013/08/17 02:25 PM
                    > 32 general purpose registersPatrick Chase2013/08/17 03:11 PM
                      > 32 general purpose registersExophase2013/08/18 10:17 AM
                        IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registers (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/18 02:51 PM
                          IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersExophase2013/08/18 09:28 PM
                            IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersMichael S2013/08/19 02:17 AM
                              IIRC, AArch32 registers (shadow registers et al.) map onto AArch64 registersExophase2013/08/19 08:42 AM
                    > 32 general purpose registersDoug S2013/08/18 12:21 AM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Brett2013/08/17 11:20 AM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Gabriele Svelto2013/08/18 02:12 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Exophase2013/08/18 09:35 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 03:29 PM
      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 03:15 PM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?none2013/08/20 03:31 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 04:08 PM
        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/20 03:49 PM
          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/20 05:53 PM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/20 07:52 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 12:21 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 06:17 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 07:05 AM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 07:27 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?none2013/08/21 07:53 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 08:02 AM
                          XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 12:36 PM
                            XScale wasn't synthesizableMichael S2013/08/21 02:00 PM
                              XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 03:02 PM
                              XScale wasn't synthesizablePatrick Chase2013/08/21 03:11 PM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/21 08:45 AM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?mas2013/08/22 04:08 AM
            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Doug S2013/08/20 10:47 PM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/21 07:32 AM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 08:37 AM
              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 11:45 AM
                How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?EduardoS2013/08/21 12:02 PM
                  How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 12:27 PM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/21 12:47 PM
                      Is simplistic prediction still prediction?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/21 03:59 PM
                        Is simplistic prediction still prediction?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:16 PM
                          More like always not-taken, but yeah lame prediction (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/22 01:27 PM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/21 04:25 PM
                        Athlon did something similar (but no dirty special case)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/21 07:47 PM
                          Athlon did something similar (but no dirty special case)Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:13 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 11:56 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 12:29 PM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Linus Torvalds2013/08/22 01:40 PM
                    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/22 12:45 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Niels Jørgen Kruse2013/08/22 02:38 AM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Michael S2013/08/22 02:58 AM
                      How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 08:44 AM
                        Are you sure P4 used IP-based way prediction?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/22 02:04 PM
                          Are you sure P4 used IP-based way prediction?Patrick Chase2013/08/22 03:40 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/24 10:19 AM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Anon2013/08/25 01:15 AM
                            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/25 07:49 PM
                              Replay tornadoes? Paul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:43 PM
                        How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/25 04:22 PM
                          How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anonymou52013/08/25 04:35 PM
                            I have the date and topic for a P4 Dcache postPaul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:34 PM
                              Obviously that should have been "anonymous (no@spam.com)" (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/25 08:45 PM
                              I have the date and topic for a P4 Dcache postPatrick Chase2013/08/26 09:04 AM
                                Could you provide a link?Paul A. Clayton2013/08/26 10:32 AM
                                  Could you provide a link?Patrick Chase2013/08/26 10:43 AM
                                    Thanks. I had a text copy without url.Paul A. Clayton2013/08/26 03:20 PM
                                      Thanks. I had a text copy without url.Patrick Chase2013/08/26 06:53 PM
                            How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?anon2013/08/25 09:37 PM
                              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?David Kanter2013/08/26 02:31 PM
                              How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Patrick Chase2013/08/27 05:11 PM
                                I think even later P4s used width pipelining (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/08/27 06:20 PM
    How does Power compare to ARM / MIPS?Vincent Diepeveen2013/08/26 05:04 AM
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