The decline of Itanium

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), September 27, 2013 11:30 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
someone (someone.delete@this.somewhere.com) on September 27, 2013 8:25 am wrote:
> David Hess (davidwhess.delete@this.gmail.com) on September 27, 2013 8:06 am wrote:
> > ARM threatens Intel now having followed the same path Intel took through the low end to
> > threaten established microprocessors that held the workstation, minicomputer, and mainframe markets.
> >
>
> The key differences are 1) Intel was a high volume commodity MPU ODM attacking a
> group of incompatible RISC architectures which had far lower volumes and higher
> fixed costs than Intel even if the MORPers were all combined instead of inefficiently
> duplicating each others efforts in chips, system, OS, and programming toolchain
> design; and 2) Intel's designs were comparable and occasionaly higher in CPU
> performance than even the best of the RISCs while being distinctly cheaper.
>
> Although ARM based devices sell in far higher quantities than x86 chips do today
> the utter vast majority of those are extremely cheap devices for embedded control.
> Sales of ARM based application processors/SoCs for phones and tablets are still
> far smaller in revenue than x86 chip sales and a good portion of the profits they
> drive go to OEMs who make the phones and tablets, not ARM or the foundries that
> make the chips themselves. ARM products still can't come anywhere close to main
> stream x86 in performance. Low end x86 have been comparable to ARM in both
> power and performance since CT/CT+. With Bay Trail x86 now beats the vast majority
> of ARM chips in power, performance and Intel is increasingly aggressive on pricing.
>
> The situation today is very much different from that late 80's and '90s'. Simply
> saying ARM will win because it is coming up from below just like x86 did to the
> server RISCs is grossly simplistic as well as almost certainly wrong. The money
> situation is very different and that determines the winner.

While the money involved is relevant, the more relevant issue is the engineering involved.
The flaw with x86 is the insane complexity of the designs. This complexity means
- seven years to design a CPU (and so high latency in responding to changing markets)
- multiple design teams are required (and have to be paid) to create a new design every year
ARM is so much simpler (and will be even simpler when people start making ARMv8 only chips) that one can mount a serious challenge to Intel from below at VASTLY less expense, and on a VASTLY shorter timescale.

The money situation is different, yes, but not all in Intel's favor. To create a competitive chip requires much more expense in labor, and a better quality process. And then to compete requires selling that chip at essentially ARM prices. This is not sustainable. I expect Atom has lost zillions already, and it's going to get worse if Intel have REALLY done what they have claimed (moved Intel to annual tick-tock, with the 5 or 6 or 7 parallel design teams that requires).

Intel have two advantages
- better process
- substantially more experience in turboing a design from cruising speed to bursts of high speed and back.
The second is ephemeral. Apple (and for that matter Qualcomm) have been methodically working their way through the tools of high speed CPUs. They'll get to turboing soon. (Though before then they'll probably do common addressing between CPU and GPU, and HW TM.)
Better process will remain for a while --- but better process costs, and it costs a LOT.

And Intel aren't even just competing against ARM, they are competing against themselves. Every time they make Atom better, they steal market away from their desktop line...
(They've basically learned nothing from the past. What killed Itanium was the deliberate attempt to make it so complex that no-one else could ever copy it --- under the bizarre delusion that that same complexity would not affect Intel's attempts to wrestle with this monster.)
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Charlie re: Apple and ARMjose2013/09/23 04:43 AM
  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMark Roulo2013/09/23 07:38 AM
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    Charlie re: Apple and ARMJose2013/09/24 06:56 AM
      Previous CPU transitionsMark Roulo2013/09/24 07:20 AM
        Previous CPU transitionsRonald Maas2013/09/24 10:21 PM
  Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 09:16 AM
  Charlie re: Apple and ARMPatrick Chase2013/09/23 09:43 AM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/23 09:46 AM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMPatrick Chase2013/09/23 10:17 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMGabriele Svelto2013/09/23 10:24 AM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMPatrick Chase2013/09/23 10:40 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/23 12:42 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMPatrick Chase2013/09/23 06:47 PM
  Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/23 09:43 AM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 10:03 AM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/23 10:25 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 10:44 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/23 11:02 AM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/23 12:57 PM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/23 03:56 PM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMRicardo B2013/09/24 12:32 AM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMMartin Høyer Kristiansen2013/09/23 01:30 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMNiels Jørgen Kruse2013/09/23 11:09 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 05:09 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 12:03 PM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/23 04:27 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 04:39 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 05:22 PM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/24 08:13 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/24 10:24 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/24 10:41 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/24 05:54 PM
                    The decline of ItaniumPaul A. Clayton2013/09/24 09:52 PM
                      The decline of ItaniumKira2013/09/25 06:07 AM
                        The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/25 06:15 AM
                          The decline of ItaniumKira2013/09/25 06:21 AM
                            Does Secure64 sell hardware?Paul A. Clayton2013/09/25 08:18 AM
                              Does Secure64 sell hardware?Kira2013/09/25 09:18 AM
                                Turns out they do rx2800 now. (NT)Kira2013/09/25 09:20 AM
                                Thanks again. RWT has some knowledgeable posters! (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/09/25 01:38 PM
                      The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/25 09:34 AM
                        The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/25 05:10 PM
                          The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/25 08:15 PM
                            The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/27 08:11 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/27 05:37 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 09:43 AM
                        The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/26 03:06 PM
                          The decline of ItaniumGabriele Svelto2013/09/26 03:35 PM
                            The decline of ItaniumKira2013/09/26 04:18 PM
                              The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 08:08 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/27 08:20 AM
                                  The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 08:56 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumLinus Torvalds2013/09/27 12:00 PM
                                      i960someone2013/09/27 01:06 PM
                                        i960Michael S2013/09/28 09:47 AM
                                          i960JS2013/09/29 02:43 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 10:00 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 10:51 AM
                                        The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 11:59 AM
                                          The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 12:43 PM
                                            The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 08:53 PM
                                        The decline of Itaniumgallier22013/09/30 01:06 AM
                                          x86 MCUsMichael S2013/09/30 02:13 AM
                                The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/27 09:52 AM
                                  The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 11:29 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumKira2013/09/27 10:19 AM
                                  oops - HC 1999, not 19 (NT)Kira2013/09/27 11:04 AM
                          The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/27 08:06 AM
                            The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 08:25 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumLinus Torvalds2013/09/27 10:07 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/27 06:09 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 07:07 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/27 09:12 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/28 06:02 AM
                                    Laptop DesignDavid Hess2013/09/28 10:58 AM
                                      Laptop DesignBrett2013/09/28 03:14 PM
                                        Laptop DesignDavid Hess2013/09/28 08:35 PM
                                        Laptop Designanon2013/09/30 02:11 AM
                                          Laptop DesignBrett2013/09/30 06:02 PM
                                      Laptop DesignRichardC2013/09/28 05:14 PM
                                        Laptop DesignDavid Hess2013/09/28 08:40 PM
                                          Laptop DesignMichael S2013/09/29 03:21 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 11:23 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/29 05:52 AM
                                      PS2Konrad Schwarz2013/09/30 12:53 AM
                                        PS2none2013/09/30 01:19 AM
                                        PS2Doug S2013/09/30 11:09 AM
                                        PS2sysanon2013/09/30 05:09 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumMegol2013/09/29 06:35 AM
                                      Apple's innovationsRichardC2013/09/29 07:00 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumBrett2013/09/29 02:56 PM
                                        The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/29 06:00 PM
                                          Apple's innovationsBrett2013/10/10 08:20 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/28 05:44 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/28 05:23 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/29 04:51 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/29 08:27 AM
                                        The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/29 12:28 PM
                                          The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/29 04:00 PM
                                            The decline of ItaniumRichardC2013/09/29 06:07 PM
                                            The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/30 07:04 AM
                                              The decline of IntelRichardC2013/09/30 07:19 AM
                                                The decline of IntelKevin G2013/09/30 10:53 AM
                                                  The decline of IntelRichardC2013/09/30 11:13 AM
                                                    The decline of IntelKevin G2013/10/02 09:11 AM
                                                      The decline of Inteltarlinian2013/10/02 09:27 AM
                                                        The decline of IntelKevin G2013/10/04 10:24 AM
                                                          450mm and EUV insertionDavid Kanter2013/10/04 11:24 AM
                                                            450mm and EUV insertiontarlinian2013/10/04 12:23 PM
                                                              450mm and EUV insertionAnonym2013/10/04 11:39 PM
                                                                450mm and EUV insertiontarlinian2013/10/05 10:18 AM
                                                                  450mm and EUV insertionAnonym2013/10/05 12:51 PM
                                                                    450mm and EUV insertiontarlinian2013/10/05 01:42 PM
                                                                      450mm and EUV insertionAnonym2013/10/05 03:35 PM
                                                                        450mm and EUV insertiontarlinian2013/10/05 04:21 PM
                                                                      450mm and EUV insertionDavid Kanter2013/10/07 01:48 PM
                                                            450mm and EUV insertionKevin G2013/10/05 05:50 AM
                                                  The decline of IntelBrett2013/09/30 06:11 PM
                                                    The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/01 05:52 AM
                                                      The decline of Intelanon2013/10/01 06:27 AM
                                                        The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/01 07:13 AM
                                                          The decline of Intelmas2013/10/01 04:46 PM
                                                            The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/02 12:26 AM
                                                              The decline of Intelanon2013/10/02 02:05 AM
                                                                The decline of Intelnone2013/10/02 02:18 AM
                                                                  The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/02 02:35 AM
                                                                    The decline of Intelanon2013/10/02 02:57 AM
                                                                      The decline of IntelDoug S2013/10/02 10:08 AM
                                                                        The decline of Intelmas2013/10/02 10:40 AM
                                                                          The decline of IntelDoug S2013/10/02 07:32 PM
                                                                            The decline of IntelDavid Kanter2013/10/02 10:17 PM
                                                                      Intel vs. industry gapDavid Kanter2013/10/02 04:17 PM
                                                                        Intel vs. industry gapMaynard Handley2013/10/02 05:59 PM
                                                                          Intel vs. industry gaptarlinian2013/10/02 06:13 PM
                                                                            Intel vs. industry gapAnon2013/10/03 12:15 AM
                                                                              Intel vs. industry gaptarlinian2013/10/03 09:01 AM
                                                                          Intel vs. industry gapDavid Kanter2013/10/02 10:10 PM
                                                                            Intel vs. industry gapDoug S2013/10/03 09:59 AM
                                                                              Intel vs. industry gapanon2013/10/03 04:12 PM
                                                                                Intel vs. industry gapDoug S2013/10/03 04:56 PM
                                                                                  Intel vs. industry gapanon2013/10/03 05:48 PM
                                                                                  Intel vs. industry gapanonymou52013/10/03 05:59 PM
                                                                                    Intel vs. industry gapmas2013/10/04 01:10 AM
                                                                    The decline of IntelKlimax2013/10/02 03:46 AM
                                                                  The decline of Intelanon2013/10/02 02:53 AM
                                                              The decline of Inteltarlinian2013/10/02 09:24 AM
                                                      The decline of IntelDavid Kanter2013/10/01 09:06 AM
                                                        The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/02 12:09 AM
                                                          The decline of Inteltarlinian2013/10/02 08:58 AM
                                                          The decline of IntelDavid Kanter2013/10/02 10:45 AM
                                                            The decline of IntelPurana Archer2013/10/04 06:38 AM
                                                              The decline of IntelDavid Kanter2013/10/05 12:41 AM
                                                                The decline of IntelKevin G2013/10/05 08:14 AM
                                                                  The decline of IntelNiels Jørgen Kruse2013/10/05 12:49 PM
                                                                    The decline of IntelKevin G2013/10/06 08:45 AM
                                                                    The decline of IntelDoug S2013/10/06 10:11 PM
                                                                      The decline of IntelNiels Jørgen Kruse2013/10/07 06:14 AM
                                                                        The decline of IntelDoug S2013/10/07 04:36 PM
                                                           Tool Reuse, CAPEX EfficiencyAnonym2013/10/02 01:37 PM
                                                             Tool Reuse, CAPEX Efficiencytarlinian2013/10/02 03:55 PM
                                                      capex spendingDoug S2013/10/01 12:06 PM
                                                        Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??Paul A. Clayton2013/10/01 05:27 PM
                                                          Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??anon2013/10/01 08:07 PM
                                                            Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 11:04 PM
                                                            Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 11:06 PM
                                                              Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 11:06 PM
                                                  Intel fabs on 22nmAlberto2013/10/01 03:23 AM
                                                  The decline of Intelmas2013/10/01 04:24 PM
                                                The decline of Intelanon2013/09/30 06:00 PM
                                          The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/09/29 11:19 PM
                                            competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 06:33 AM
                                              competitive marketDavid Kanter2013/09/30 08:39 AM
                                                competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 09:08 AM
                                                  competitive marketDavid Kanter2013/09/30 12:08 PM
                                                    competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 02:00 PM
                                                    competitive marketAnon2013/10/03 12:34 AM
                                              competitive marketDoug S2013/09/30 11:13 AM
                                                competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 11:28 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/27 10:07 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 11:30 AM
                                The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 12:00 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumTREZA2013/09/27 01:50 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumMegol2013/09/28 12:52 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 05:03 PM
                                    The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 03:22 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/28 09:00 AM
                                        That's BSDavid Kanter2013/09/28 09:22 AM
                                        The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 05:15 PM
                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 09:01 AM
                                          The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 09:06 AM
                                          The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/29 11:06 AM
                                            Apple has 2-3 CPU design teamsDavid Kanter2013/09/29 11:39 AM
                                              The End of Moore's Lawhobold2013/09/30 03:00 AM
                                                Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.Mark Roulo2013/09/30 10:50 AM
                                                  Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.David Kanter2013/09/30 01:41 PM
                                                    Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.EduardoS2013/09/30 02:05 PM
                                                    Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Mark Roulo2013/09/30 03:15 PM
                                                      Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/09/30 08:09 PM
                                                      Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/09/30 08:16 PM
                                                        Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/09/30 09:05 PM
                                                          Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/01 12:28 PM
                                                            Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/10/01 04:20 PM
                                                              Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/01 08:51 PM
                                                          Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/01 01:03 PM
                                                            Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/10/01 04:17 PM
                                                              Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/01 10:18 PM
                                                                Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/02 10:18 AM
                                                                  Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/02 10:28 AM
                                                    Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.tarlinian2013/09/30 07:02 PM
                                                      Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.David Kanter2013/09/30 09:20 PM
                                                The End of Moore's LawGreg Gritton2013/10/01 09:11 AM
                                                  The End of Moore's LawKevin G2013/10/02 10:48 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumFoo_2013/09/28 08:50 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/28 04:17 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/27 02:51 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 10:58 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 11:39 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 01:11 PM
                                        The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/28 03:38 PM
                                          The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 05:09 PM
                                            The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/28 05:59 PM
                                            The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 06:45 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniumnone2013/09/29 07:10 AM
                                                Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 07:31 AM
                                                  Bay Trail die costnone2013/09/29 07:40 AM
                                                    Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 08:11 AM
                                                      Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 08:16 AM
                                                      Bay Trail die costDoug S2013/09/29 11:13 AM
                                                        Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 11:59 AM
                                                  Bay Trail die costRichardC2013/10/01 06:20 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 08:59 AM
                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 09:16 AM
                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 09:31 AM
                                                  The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 09:48 AM
                                                    The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 11:12 AM
                                                      The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 11:53 AM
                                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 12:11 PM
                                                          The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 03:15 PM
                                                            The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 11:28 PM
                                                              The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/30 01:26 AM
                                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/30 07:20 AM
                                                                  The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/30 08:04 PM
                                                                    The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/30 08:42 PM
                                                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/30 11:32 PM
                                                                        The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/10/01 12:43 AM
                                                                          The decline of Itaniumanon2013/10/01 02:37 AM
                                                                            The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/10/01 09:17 AM
                                                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/10/01 01:54 AM
                                                                          The decline of Itaniumanon2013/10/01 02:39 AM
                                                          The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/30 04:26 AM
                                                      The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 03:08 PM
                                                        The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 04:50 PM
                                                          The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 11:42 PM
                                                          Semiconductor realitiesDavid Kanter2013/09/30 11:30 AM
                                                            Restricted rules for initial process use at foundries?Paul A. Clayton2013/09/30 04:33 PM
                                                              Restricted rules for initial process use at foundries?Ricardo B2013/10/01 12:47 AM
                                              $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7mas2013/10/02 12:10 PM
                                                $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7RichardC2013/10/03 08:51 AM
                                                  $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7mas2013/10/03 09:41 AM
                                                    $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7RichardC2013/10/03 10:56 AM
                                                    $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7Michael S2013/10/03 10:58 AM
                                                    $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7RichardC2013/10/03 11:07 AM
                                                      cheap would be in kindle fireRichardC2013/10/03 11:12 AM
                                                      $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7none2013/10/03 11:13 AM
                                                        Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifeMichael S2013/10/03 02:18 PM
                                                          Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifenone2013/10/03 03:17 PM
                                                            Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifeExophase2013/10/03 03:42 PM
                                          The decline of Itaniumnone2013/09/29 02:15 AM
                                            The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/29 11:25 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 12:23 PM
                                              Qualcomm?David Kanter2013/09/29 11:45 PM
                                                Qualcomm?none2013/09/30 01:36 AM
                                                  Qualcomm?Alberto2013/10/01 09:03 AM
                                                  Qualcomm?Alberto2013/10/01 01:03 PM
                                        A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailThu2013/09/28 08:52 PM
                                          A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailMichael S2013/09/29 02:24 AM
                                            A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailMaynard Handley2013/09/29 09:41 AM
                                            A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailbakaneko2013/09/29 10:44 AM
                                              A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailLinus Torvalds2013/09/29 02:22 PM
                                                A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailnone2013/09/29 03:37 PM
                              The decline of Itaniumanoanon2013/09/28 04:14 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 11:44 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 09:31 AM
                            The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/27 09:47 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/10/05 06:35 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/10/06 08:55 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/10/06 09:13 AM
                            The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/27 10:10 AM
                              The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 12:24 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/27 01:39 PM
                                  The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 02:38 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/27 03:49 PM
                                      The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/28 09:20 AM
                                        The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/28 11:05 AM
                                  The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/27 09:22 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/28 12:45 AM
                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 03:08 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/28 11:08 AM
                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 05:17 PM
                                        The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/29 03:29 AM
                                The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/27 01:41 PM
                                Difficulty of measuring performance from ArchitecturePaul A. Clayton2013/09/27 03:23 PM
                                  Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecturesomeone2013/09/27 04:46 PM
                                    Difficulty of measuring performance from ArchitectureEduardoS2013/09/27 04:52 PM
                                      Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecturesomeone2013/09/27 05:10 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 05:09 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 11:19 AM
                                why did you exclude EV7?Michael S2013/09/28 11:16 AM
                                  why did you exclude EV7?slacker2013/09/28 08:37 PM
                                    why did you exclude EV7?Michael S2013/09/29 12:50 AM
                                    Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect? (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/09/29 10:06 AM
                                      Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect?slacker2013/09/29 03:17 PM
                                        Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al?Paul A. Clayton2013/09/30 05:14 PM
                                          Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al?slacker2013/10/01 02:48 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/28 04:23 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/29 03:46 AM
                          The decline of ItaniumMegol2013/09/27 11:02 AM
                            The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 01:31 PM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMSimon Farnsworth2013/09/25 04:06 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 04:22 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMSimon Farnsworth2013/09/25 05:32 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 05:59 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDavid Kanter2013/09/25 01:26 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 05:32 PM
                  future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 06:58 AM
                    future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 07:43 AM
                      future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 09:00 AM
                        future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 09:24 AM
                          future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 11:46 AM
                            future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 05:39 PM
                              future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/26 10:51 AM
                                future of eDRAMDavid Kanter2013/09/28 10:29 AM
                              future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/27 05:23 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMKevin G2013/09/25 07:18 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 08:02 AM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 10:23 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 10:59 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMNiels Jørgen Kruse2013/09/25 11:59 AM
                          Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 12:46 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/25 02:15 PM
                          POWER8 has 8 threads per coreMark Roulo2013/09/25 04:18 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/25 08:07 AM
                  Thanks, very informative (NT)anon2013/09/25 08:11 AM
                  Keep in mind IBM has eDRAM elsewhere than POWER (NT)anon2013/09/25 11:03 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMRichardC2013/09/25 07:12 AM
              It isn't just memory controllersMark Roulo2013/09/25 09:09 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMFoo_2013/09/24 12:52 AM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDrazick2013/09/23 10:29 AM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 11:55 AM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMDrazick2013/09/23 12:00 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/23 04:01 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 05:31 PM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 07:34 PM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/24 01:11 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/24 06:17 PM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/24 08:44 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 01:56 AM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMnone2013/09/25 02:50 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 03:06 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/25 03:14 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 03:28 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/25 04:24 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMnone2013/09/25 04:55 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMEduardoS2013/09/25 02:07 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/25 10:01 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/25 01:12 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 02:23 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/25 02:45 AM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMLinus Torvalds2013/09/25 05:49 PM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/26 10:52 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 11:51 AM
                  Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsMark Roulo2013/09/26 01:04 PM
                    Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/26 02:07 PM
                      Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsMark Roulo2013/09/26 03:06 PM
                        Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/26 06:21 PM
                          Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsrwessel2013/09/26 06:44 PM
                          Animated GIF seems slow on iPadssysanon2013/09/27 04:33 PM
                            Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/27 06:29 PM
                              Animated GIF seems slow on iPadssysanon2013/09/27 08:36 PM
                                Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/27 09:07 PM
                                  Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsanonymou52013/09/28 12:58 AM
                              Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsJ.Random Webmasta2013/09/28 01:11 AM
                        Slow with Core i7 920Jouni Osmala2013/09/26 11:25 PM
                    Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsNoSpammer2013/09/27 01:13 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 01:18 PM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 02:19 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 02:35 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/26 03:11 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 06:31 PM
                          Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/27 11:02 PM
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                            Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 11:00 AM
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                              Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)bakaneko2013/09/28 12:11 PM
                                Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 12:50 PM
                                  Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)EduardoS2013/09/28 01:50 PM
                                    Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 02:05 PM
                                  Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Doug S2013/09/28 05:15 PM
                                    Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David Hess2013/09/28 08:03 PM
                                      Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Gabriele Svelto2013/09/30 04:23 AM
                                        Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Jukka Larja2013/09/30 07:23 AM
                                          Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Doug S2013/09/30 08:19 PM
                                            Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Jukka Larja2013/10/01 04:55 AM
                                              Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Rob Thorpe2013/10/01 08:26 AM
                                                Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/10/01 01:53 PM
                                                  Adobe Acrobat reader start up timeMichael S2013/10/02 01:19 AM
                                                    Adobe Acrobat reader start up timebdcrazy2013/10/11 06:28 AM
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                              There are two of us (or three)Mark Roulo2013/10/01 01:15 PM
                              Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultRob Thorpe2013/10/01 04:05 PM
                            Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultSymmetry2013/10/02 12:51 PM
                              Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultDoug S2013/10/02 07:44 PM
                                Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultrwessel2013/10/02 11:21 PM
                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultClemens Ladisch2013/10/03 12:20 AM
                                    Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultrwessel2013/10/03 01:12 AM
                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultSymmetry2013/10/03 06:19 AM
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                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultDoug S2013/10/03 10:15 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/26 02:59 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 03:53 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/01 10:55 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMLinus Torvalds2013/09/26 08:15 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/01 10:45 PM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/10/02 10:14 AM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/02 10:03 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/10/03 12:00 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/10/03 10:08 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/25 01:50 PM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMRonald Maas2013/09/24 10:39 PM
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