By: RichardC (tich.delete@this.pobox.com), September 29, 2013 5:52 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on September 28, 2013 11:23 am wrote:
> Sure, they copy things that Apple has found a market for. Tangible things that make a difference
> in the form factor or in the usability of a product.
Actually, no. What they copy is mostly the stuff that is a) cheap to do
and b) doesn't make a difference. Like the aluminum veneer on my plastic-bodied
HP laptop. And the integrated-button touchpad, which has the most god-awful
hard-to-press noisy action ever. It *looks* like Apple's stuff, but without
the actual functionality of Apple's design. It's the cargo cult theory of product
design: if I make something that loooks like an Apple, I'll get Apple's profits.
And it hasn't worked. MacbookAir succeeds, but Ultrabooks fail.
Now personally, I'll accept the deficiencies of these knock-off products because
I'm a cheapskate who doesn't want to pay $1500 for MacbookPro when I can get
something mostly ok for $600. But I'm not blind to the differences, and I can
understand why a lot of people are willing to pay a premium for the Apple experience.
Two particularly desirable features of current Apple laptops are not being copied
AFAIK - higher resolution screens, and the magnetic power jack. Both of those
are totally fantastic (my last two HP laptops suffered power jack failures, and
they're so common that there are a number of businesses doing nothing but power-jack
repairs).
>Using ARM rather than x86 does neither.
ARM in itself doesn't help. But the profusion of low-cost low-power highly-
integrated ARM SoCs with ok cpu's and good GPU's helps a lot. And saving money
on the cpu/gpu/chipset gives the opportunity to offer higher quality screen/keyboard/
case at the same price point; and saving power gives the opportunity for lower
weight, smaller form factor, longer battery life. Compare Surface Pro to iPad.
Also the more open Android software ecosystem offers manufacturers what they
see as an opportunity to differentiate their products, add value, and develop
brand loyalty in a way that Windows prohibits. The Kindle Fire is a good example;
Samsung's Touchwiz and HTC's Sense may be bad examples :-)
>
> Why should, say Dell for example, follow Apple with an ARM laptop? (assuming Apple makes
> one) How is it going to be a sales advantage for Dell to say "ARM inside"? The only
> reason they'd do it is to sell them cheaper, but putting an ARM SoC in a $200 laptop
> isn't exactly following Apple, since they'd be putting one in the $999 Air.
Dell would probably be the last to try it, given their long reliance on an intimate
relationship with Intel, and their focus on corporate sales. But Samsung are
already trying it with the Chromebook, Acer are making tablets.
And yes, it wouldn't exactly be copying Apple, not just because they'd be at a different
price point, but because they wouldn't have the 20 years or so of development
behind the MacOSX/iOS software. But as I said above, this cargo-cult decision
making isn't necessarily rational, and while I'm sure that a lot of companies will
*try* to follow what Apple does, I'm sure that most will fail and I'm not sure
that any will succeed in a big way. Though Samsung's success in smartphones shows
that such success is at least possible.
> If Apple switched to ARM SoCs in the Air, they would be doing it to take more control over the overall design
> (hardware + software) of their products, but the PC makers don't care about that. The PC makers don't use
> much of the control they do have over the design of their products, let alone want to take more. That's
> why Intel has to spoon feed them everything, like they did the Ultrabook concept. Or Microsoft has to push
> them forward, like they used to with the PCxx requirements. There'd probably still be some PCs shipping with
> PS2 keyboards if they weren't forced forward by Microsoft requirements and Intel southbridge changes.
Sometimes Intel and Microsoft push them forward. Other times they hold them back,
as when Intel specified maximum screen resolution for systems using "netbook" Atom
cpu's. Either way, those decisions are based entirely on what is best for
Intel and Microsoft. And the outcome is an industry where Wintel PC manufacturing is a
lousy unprofitable business for everyone downstream from Intel and Microsoft.
> Sure, they copy things that Apple has found a market for. Tangible things that make a difference
> in the form factor or in the usability of a product.
Actually, no. What they copy is mostly the stuff that is a) cheap to do
and b) doesn't make a difference. Like the aluminum veneer on my plastic-bodied
HP laptop. And the integrated-button touchpad, which has the most god-awful
hard-to-press noisy action ever. It *looks* like Apple's stuff, but without
the actual functionality of Apple's design. It's the cargo cult theory of product
design: if I make something that loooks like an Apple, I'll get Apple's profits.
And it hasn't worked. MacbookAir succeeds, but Ultrabooks fail.
Now personally, I'll accept the deficiencies of these knock-off products because
I'm a cheapskate who doesn't want to pay $1500 for MacbookPro when I can get
something mostly ok for $600. But I'm not blind to the differences, and I can
understand why a lot of people are willing to pay a premium for the Apple experience.
Two particularly desirable features of current Apple laptops are not being copied
AFAIK - higher resolution screens, and the magnetic power jack. Both of those
are totally fantastic (my last two HP laptops suffered power jack failures, and
they're so common that there are a number of businesses doing nothing but power-jack
repairs).
>Using ARM rather than x86 does neither.
ARM in itself doesn't help. But the profusion of low-cost low-power highly-
integrated ARM SoCs with ok cpu's and good GPU's helps a lot. And saving money
on the cpu/gpu/chipset gives the opportunity to offer higher quality screen/keyboard/
case at the same price point; and saving power gives the opportunity for lower
weight, smaller form factor, longer battery life. Compare Surface Pro to iPad.
Also the more open Android software ecosystem offers manufacturers what they
see as an opportunity to differentiate their products, add value, and develop
brand loyalty in a way that Windows prohibits. The Kindle Fire is a good example;
Samsung's Touchwiz and HTC's Sense may be bad examples :-)
>
> Why should, say Dell for example, follow Apple with an ARM laptop? (assuming Apple makes
> one) How is it going to be a sales advantage for Dell to say "ARM inside"? The only
> reason they'd do it is to sell them cheaper, but putting an ARM SoC in a $200 laptop
> isn't exactly following Apple, since they'd be putting one in the $999 Air.
Dell would probably be the last to try it, given their long reliance on an intimate
relationship with Intel, and their focus on corporate sales. But Samsung are
already trying it with the Chromebook, Acer are making tablets.
And yes, it wouldn't exactly be copying Apple, not just because they'd be at a different
price point, but because they wouldn't have the 20 years or so of development
behind the MacOSX/iOS software. But as I said above, this cargo-cult decision
making isn't necessarily rational, and while I'm sure that a lot of companies will
*try* to follow what Apple does, I'm sure that most will fail and I'm not sure
that any will succeed in a big way. Though Samsung's success in smartphones shows
that such success is at least possible.
> If Apple switched to ARM SoCs in the Air, they would be doing it to take more control over the overall design
> (hardware + software) of their products, but the PC makers don't care about that. The PC makers don't use
> much of the control they do have over the design of their products, let alone want to take more. That's
> why Intel has to spoon feed them everything, like they did the Ultrabook concept. Or Microsoft has to push
> them forward, like they used to with the PCxx requirements. There'd probably still be some PCs shipping with
> PS2 keyboards if they weren't forced forward by Microsoft requirements and Intel southbridge changes.
Sometimes Intel and Microsoft push them forward. Other times they hold them back,
as when Intel specified maximum screen resolution for systems using "netbook" Atom
cpu's. Either way, those decisions are based entirely on what is best for
Intel and Microsoft. And the outcome is an industry where Wintel PC manufacturing is a
lousy unprofitable business for everyone downstream from Intel and Microsoft.
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Charlie re: Apple and ARM | jose | 2013/09/23 04:43 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/23 07:38 AM |
graphics and disk matter too | RichardC | 2013/09/23 12:23 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Jose | 2013/09/24 06:56 AM |
Previous CPU transitions | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/24 07:20 AM |
Previous CPU transitions | Ronald Maas | 2013/09/24 10:21 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 09:16 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Patrick Chase | 2013/09/23 09:43 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/23 09:46 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Patrick Chase | 2013/09/23 10:17 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Gabriele Svelto | 2013/09/23 10:24 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Patrick Chase | 2013/09/23 10:40 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/23 12:42 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Patrick Chase | 2013/09/23 06:47 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/23 09:43 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 10:03 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/23 10:25 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 10:44 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/23 11:02 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/23 12:57 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/23 03:56 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Ricardo B | 2013/09/24 12:32 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Martin Høyer Kristiansen | 2013/09/23 01:30 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Niels Jørgen Kruse | 2013/09/23 11:09 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 05:09 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/23 12:03 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/23 04:27 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/23 04:39 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 05:22 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/24 08:13 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/24 10:24 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/24 10:41 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/24 05:54 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/24 09:52 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Kira | 2013/09/25 06:07 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/25 06:15 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Kira | 2013/09/25 06:21 AM |
Does Secure64 sell hardware? | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/25 08:18 AM |
Does Secure64 sell hardware? | Kira | 2013/09/25 09:18 AM |
Turns out they do rx2800 now. (NT) | Kira | 2013/09/25 09:20 AM |
Thanks again. RWT has some knowledgeable posters! (NT) | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/25 01:38 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/25 09:34 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/25 05:10 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/25 08:15 PM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/27 08:11 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/27 05:37 PM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/28 09:43 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/26 03:06 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Gabriele Svelto | 2013/09/26 03:35 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Kira | 2013/09/26 04:18 PM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 08:08 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/27 08:20 AM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 08:56 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Linus Torvalds | 2013/09/27 12:00 PM |
i960 | someone | 2013/09/27 01:06 PM |
i960 | Michael S | 2013/09/28 09:47 AM |
i960 | JS | 2013/09/29 02:43 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/28 10:00 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 10:51 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/28 11:59 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 12:43 PM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/28 08:53 PM |
The decline of Itanium | gallier2 | 2013/09/30 01:06 AM |
x86 MCUs | Michael S | 2013/09/30 02:13 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/27 09:52 AM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 11:29 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Kira | 2013/09/27 10:19 AM |
oops - HC 1999, not 19 (NT) | Kira | 2013/09/27 11:04 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/27 08:06 AM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 08:25 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Linus Torvalds | 2013/09/27 10:07 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/27 06:09 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/27 07:07 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/27 09:12 PM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/28 06:02 AM |
Laptop Design | David Hess | 2013/09/28 10:58 AM |
Laptop Design | Brett | 2013/09/28 03:14 PM |
Laptop Design | David Hess | 2013/09/28 08:35 PM |
Laptop Design | anon | 2013/09/30 02:11 AM |
Laptop Design | Brett | 2013/09/30 06:02 PM |
Laptop Design | RichardC | 2013/09/28 05:14 PM |
Laptop Design | David Hess | 2013/09/28 08:40 PM |
Laptop Design | Michael S | 2013/09/29 03:21 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/28 11:23 AM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/29 05:52 AM |
PS2 | Konrad Schwarz | 2013/09/30 12:53 AM |
PS2 | none | 2013/09/30 01:19 AM |
PS2 | Doug S | 2013/09/30 11:09 AM |
PS2 | sysanon | 2013/09/30 05:09 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Megol | 2013/09/29 06:35 AM |
Apple's innovations | RichardC | 2013/09/29 07:00 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Brett | 2013/09/29 02:56 PM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/29 06:00 PM |
Apple's innovations | Brett | 2013/10/10 08:20 PM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/28 05:44 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Ricardo B | 2013/09/28 05:23 PM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/29 04:51 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Ricardo B | 2013/09/29 08:27 AM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/29 12:28 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Ricardo B | 2013/09/29 04:00 PM |
The decline of Itanium | RichardC | 2013/09/29 06:07 PM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/30 07:04 AM |
The decline of Intel | RichardC | 2013/09/30 07:19 AM |
The decline of Intel | Kevin G | 2013/09/30 10:53 AM |
The decline of Intel | RichardC | 2013/09/30 11:13 AM |
The decline of Intel | Kevin G | 2013/10/02 09:11 AM |
The decline of Intel | tarlinian | 2013/10/02 09:27 AM |
The decline of Intel | Kevin G | 2013/10/04 10:24 AM |
450mm and EUV insertion | David Kanter | 2013/10/04 11:24 AM |
450mm and EUV insertion | tarlinian | 2013/10/04 12:23 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | Anonym | 2013/10/04 11:39 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | tarlinian | 2013/10/05 10:18 AM |
450mm and EUV insertion | Anonym | 2013/10/05 12:51 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | tarlinian | 2013/10/05 01:42 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | Anonym | 2013/10/05 03:35 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | tarlinian | 2013/10/05 04:21 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | David Kanter | 2013/10/07 01:48 PM |
450mm and EUV insertion | Kevin G | 2013/10/05 05:50 AM |
The decline of Intel | Brett | 2013/09/30 06:11 PM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/01 05:52 AM |
The decline of Intel | anon | 2013/10/01 06:27 AM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/01 07:13 AM |
The decline of Intel | mas | 2013/10/01 04:46 PM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/02 12:26 AM |
The decline of Intel | anon | 2013/10/02 02:05 AM |
The decline of Intel | none | 2013/10/02 02:18 AM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/02 02:35 AM |
The decline of Intel | anon | 2013/10/02 02:57 AM |
The decline of Intel | Doug S | 2013/10/02 10:08 AM |
The decline of Intel | mas | 2013/10/02 10:40 AM |
The decline of Intel | Doug S | 2013/10/02 07:32 PM |
The decline of Intel | David Kanter | 2013/10/02 10:17 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | David Kanter | 2013/10/02 04:17 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | Maynard Handley | 2013/10/02 05:59 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | tarlinian | 2013/10/02 06:13 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | Anon | 2013/10/03 12:15 AM |
Intel vs. industry gap | tarlinian | 2013/10/03 09:01 AM |
Intel vs. industry gap | David Kanter | 2013/10/02 10:10 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | Doug S | 2013/10/03 09:59 AM |
Intel vs. industry gap | anon | 2013/10/03 04:12 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | Doug S | 2013/10/03 04:56 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | anon | 2013/10/03 05:48 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | anonymou5 | 2013/10/03 05:59 PM |
Intel vs. industry gap | mas | 2013/10/04 01:10 AM |
The decline of Intel | Klimax | 2013/10/02 03:46 AM |
The decline of Intel | anon | 2013/10/02 02:53 AM |
The decline of Intel | tarlinian | 2013/10/02 09:24 AM |
The decline of Intel | David Kanter | 2013/10/01 09:06 AM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/02 12:09 AM |
The decline of Intel | tarlinian | 2013/10/02 08:58 AM |
The decline of Intel | David Kanter | 2013/10/02 10:45 AM |
The decline of Intel | Purana Archer | 2013/10/04 06:38 AM |
The decline of Intel | David Kanter | 2013/10/05 12:41 AM |
The decline of Intel | Kevin G | 2013/10/05 08:14 AM |
The decline of Intel | Niels Jørgen Kruse | 2013/10/05 12:49 PM |
The decline of Intel | Kevin G | 2013/10/06 08:45 AM |
The decline of Intel | Doug S | 2013/10/06 10:11 PM |
The decline of Intel | Niels Jørgen Kruse | 2013/10/07 06:14 AM |
The decline of Intel | Doug S | 2013/10/07 04:36 PM |
Tool Reuse, CAPEX Efficiency | Anonym | 2013/10/02 01:37 PM |
Tool Reuse, CAPEX Efficiency | tarlinian | 2013/10/02 03:55 PM |
capex spending | Doug S | 2013/10/01 12:06 PM |
Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending?? | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/10/01 05:27 PM |
Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending?? | anon | 2013/10/01 08:07 PM |
Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending?? | mas | 2013/10/01 11:04 PM |
Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending?? | mas | 2013/10/01 11:06 PM |
Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending?? | mas | 2013/10/01 11:06 PM |
Intel fabs on 22nm | Alberto | 2013/10/01 03:23 AM |
The decline of Intel | mas | 2013/10/01 04:24 PM |
The decline of Intel | anon | 2013/09/30 06:00 PM |
The decline of Itanium | David Kanter | 2013/09/29 11:19 PM |
competitive market | RichardC | 2013/09/30 06:33 AM |
competitive market | David Kanter | 2013/09/30 08:39 AM |
competitive market | RichardC | 2013/09/30 09:08 AM |
competitive market | David Kanter | 2013/09/30 12:08 PM |
competitive market | RichardC | 2013/09/30 02:00 PM |
competitive market | Anon | 2013/10/03 12:34 AM |
competitive market | Doug S | 2013/09/30 11:13 AM |
competitive market | RichardC | 2013/09/30 11:28 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Kevin G | 2013/09/27 10:07 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/27 11:30 AM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 12:00 PM |
The decline of Itanium | TREZA | 2013/09/27 01:50 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Megol | 2013/09/28 12:52 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/27 05:03 PM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/28 03:22 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/28 09:00 AM |
That's BS | David Kanter | 2013/09/28 09:22 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/28 05:15 PM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 09:01 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 09:06 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Kevin G | 2013/09/29 11:06 AM |
Apple has 2-3 CPU design teams | David Kanter | 2013/09/29 11:39 AM |
The End of Moore's Law | hobold | 2013/09/30 03:00 AM |
Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed. | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/30 10:50 AM |
Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed. | David Kanter | 2013/09/30 01:41 PM |
Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed. | EduardoS | 2013/09/30 02:05 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/30 03:15 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | mas | 2013/09/30 08:09 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Doug S | 2013/09/30 08:16 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | mas | 2013/09/30 09:05 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Doug S | 2013/10/01 12:28 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | mas | 2013/10/01 04:20 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Doug S | 2013/10/01 08:51 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Exophase | 2013/10/01 01:03 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | mas | 2013/10/01 04:17 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Exophase | 2013/10/01 10:18 PM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Doug S | 2013/10/02 10:18 AM |
Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process? | Exophase | 2013/10/02 10:28 AM |
Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed. | tarlinian | 2013/09/30 07:02 PM |
Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed. | David Kanter | 2013/09/30 09:20 PM |
The End of Moore's Law | Greg Gritton | 2013/10/01 09:11 AM |
The End of Moore's Law | Kevin G | 2013/10/02 10:48 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Foo_ | 2013/09/28 08:50 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Ricardo B | 2013/09/28 04:17 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Dan Fay | 2013/09/27 02:51 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 10:58 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/28 11:39 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 01:11 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Dan Fay | 2013/09/28 03:38 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/28 05:09 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Dan Fay | 2013/09/28 05:59 PM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 06:45 AM |
The decline of Itanium | none | 2013/09/29 07:10 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | mas | 2013/09/29 07:31 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | none | 2013/09/29 07:40 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | mas | 2013/09/29 08:11 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | mas | 2013/09/29 08:16 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | Doug S | 2013/09/29 11:13 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | mas | 2013/09/29 11:59 AM |
Bay Trail die cost | RichardC | 2013/10/01 06:20 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/29 08:59 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 09:16 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 09:31 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/29 09:48 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 11:12 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/29 11:53 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 12:11 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/29 03:15 PM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 11:28 PM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/30 01:26 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/30 07:20 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/30 08:04 PM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/30 08:42 PM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/30 11:32 PM |
The decline of Itanium | David Kanter | 2013/10/01 12:43 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/10/01 02:37 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Kanter | 2013/10/01 09:17 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/10/01 01:54 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/10/01 02:39 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/30 04:26 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/29 03:08 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/29 04:50 PM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 11:42 PM |
Semiconductor realities | David Kanter | 2013/09/30 11:30 AM |
Restricted rules for initial process use at foundries? | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/30 04:33 PM |
Restricted rules for initial process use at foundries? | Ricardo B | 2013/10/01 12:47 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | mas | 2013/10/02 12:10 PM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | RichardC | 2013/10/03 08:51 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | mas | 2013/10/03 09:41 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | RichardC | 2013/10/03 10:56 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | Michael S | 2013/10/03 10:58 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | RichardC | 2013/10/03 11:07 AM |
cheap would be in kindle fire | RichardC | 2013/10/03 11:12 AM |
$150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7 | none | 2013/10/03 11:13 AM |
Samsung Galaxy Tab battery life | Michael S | 2013/10/03 02:18 PM |
Samsung Galaxy Tab battery life | none | 2013/10/03 03:17 PM |
Samsung Galaxy Tab battery life | Exophase | 2013/10/03 03:42 PM |
The decline of Itanium | none | 2013/09/29 02:15 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/29 11:25 AM |
The decline of Itanium | mas | 2013/09/29 12:23 PM |
Qualcomm? | David Kanter | 2013/09/29 11:45 PM |
Qualcomm? | none | 2013/09/30 01:36 AM |
Qualcomm? | Alberto | 2013/10/01 09:03 AM |
Qualcomm? | Alberto | 2013/10/01 01:03 PM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | Thu | 2013/09/28 08:52 PM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | Michael S | 2013/09/29 02:24 AM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/29 09:41 AM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | bakaneko | 2013/09/29 10:44 AM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | Linus Torvalds | 2013/09/29 02:22 PM |
A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrail | none | 2013/09/29 03:37 PM |
The decline of Itanium | anoanon | 2013/09/28 04:14 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Doug S | 2013/09/28 11:44 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/09/28 09:31 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Kevin G | 2013/09/27 09:47 AM |
The decline of Itanium | David Hess | 2013/10/05 06:35 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Kevin G | 2013/10/06 08:55 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/10/06 09:13 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/27 10:10 AM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 12:24 PM |
The decline of Itanium | EduardoS | 2013/09/27 01:39 PM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/27 02:38 PM |
The decline of Itanium | EduardoS | 2013/09/27 03:49 PM |
The decline of Itanium | someone | 2013/09/28 09:20 AM |
The decline of Itanium | EduardoS | 2013/09/28 11:05 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/27 09:22 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/28 12:45 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/28 03:08 AM |
The decline of Itanium | EduardoS | 2013/09/28 11:08 AM |
The decline of Itanium | anon | 2013/09/28 05:17 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/29 03:29 AM |
The decline of Itanium | bakaneko | 2013/09/27 01:41 PM |
Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecture | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/27 03:23 PM |
Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecture | someone | 2013/09/27 04:46 PM |
Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecture | EduardoS | 2013/09/27 04:52 PM |
Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecture | someone | 2013/09/27 05:10 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/27 05:09 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 11:19 AM |
why did you exclude EV7? | Michael S | 2013/09/28 11:16 AM |
why did you exclude EV7? | slacker | 2013/09/28 08:37 PM |
why did you exclude EV7? | Michael S | 2013/09/29 12:50 AM |
Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect? (NT) | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/29 10:06 AM |
Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect? | slacker | 2013/09/29 03:17 PM |
Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al? | Paul A. Clayton | 2013/09/30 05:14 PM |
Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al? | slacker | 2013/10/01 02:48 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Ricardo B | 2013/09/28 04:23 PM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/29 03:46 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Megol | 2013/09/27 11:02 AM |
The decline of Itanium | Michael S | 2013/09/28 01:31 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Simon Farnsworth | 2013/09/25 04:06 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 04:22 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Simon Farnsworth | 2013/09/25 05:32 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 05:59 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | David Kanter | 2013/09/25 01:26 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 05:32 PM |
future of eDRAM | bakaneko | 2013/09/25 06:58 AM |
future of eDRAM | anon | 2013/09/25 07:43 AM |
future of eDRAM | bakaneko | 2013/09/25 09:00 AM |
future of eDRAM | anon | 2013/09/25 09:24 AM |
future of eDRAM | bakaneko | 2013/09/25 11:46 AM |
future of eDRAM | anon | 2013/09/25 05:39 PM |
future of eDRAM | bakaneko | 2013/09/26 10:51 AM |
future of eDRAM | David Kanter | 2013/09/28 10:29 AM |
future of eDRAM | bakaneko | 2013/09/27 05:23 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Kevin G | 2013/09/25 07:18 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 08:02 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/25 10:23 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 10:59 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Niels Jørgen Kruse | 2013/09/25 11:59 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/25 12:46 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/25 02:15 PM |
POWER8 has 8 threads per core | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/25 04:18 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | someone | 2013/09/25 08:07 AM |
Thanks, very informative (NT) | anon | 2013/09/25 08:11 AM |
Keep in mind IBM has eDRAM elsewhere than POWER (NT) | anon | 2013/09/25 11:03 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | RichardC | 2013/09/25 07:12 AM |
It isn't just memory controllers | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/25 09:09 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Foo_ | 2013/09/24 12:52 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Drazick | 2013/09/23 10:29 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/23 11:55 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Drazick | 2013/09/23 12:00 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/23 04:01 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/23 05:31 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/23 07:34 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Alberto | 2013/09/24 01:11 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Wilco | 2013/09/24 06:17 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/24 08:44 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 01:56 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | none | 2013/09/25 02:50 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 03:06 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Wilco | 2013/09/25 03:14 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/09/25 03:28 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/25 04:24 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | none | 2013/09/25 04:55 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | EduardoS | 2013/09/25 02:07 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/25 10:01 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Alberto | 2013/09/25 01:12 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/25 02:23 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Wilco | 2013/09/25 02:45 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Linus Torvalds | 2013/09/25 05:49 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Michael S | 2013/09/26 10:52 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/26 11:51 AM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/26 01:04 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Doug S | 2013/09/26 02:07 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Mark Roulo | 2013/09/26 03:06 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Doug S | 2013/09/26 06:21 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | rwessel | 2013/09/26 06:44 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | sysanon | 2013/09/27 04:33 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Doug S | 2013/09/27 06:29 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | sysanon | 2013/09/27 08:36 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | Doug S | 2013/09/27 09:07 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | anonymou5 | 2013/09/28 12:58 AM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | J.Random Webmasta | 2013/09/28 01:11 AM |
Slow with Core i7 920 | Jouni Osmala | 2013/09/26 11:25 PM |
Animated GIF seems slow on iPads | NoSpammer | 2013/09/27 01:13 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/26 01:18 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/26 02:19 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/26 02:35 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/09/26 03:11 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/09/26 06:31 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/09/27 11:02 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | David W | 2013/09/27 01:47 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | David Kanter | 2013/09/28 10:09 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | David Hess | 2013/09/28 10:21 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Michael S | 2013/09/28 11:00 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | David Hess | 2013/09/28 11:27 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | bakaneko | 2013/09/28 12:11 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Michael S | 2013/09/28 12:50 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | EduardoS | 2013/09/28 01:50 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Michael S | 2013/09/28 02:05 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Doug S | 2013/09/28 05:15 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | David Hess | 2013/09/28 08:03 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Gabriele Svelto | 2013/09/30 04:23 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Jukka Larja | 2013/09/30 07:23 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Doug S | 2013/09/30 08:19 PM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Jukka Larja | 2013/10/01 04:55 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Rob Thorpe | 2013/10/01 08:26 AM |
Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM) | Michael S | 2013/10/01 01:53 PM |
Adobe Acrobat reader start up time | Michael S | 2013/10/02 01:19 AM |
Adobe Acrobat reader start up time | bdcrazy | 2013/10/11 06:28 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Rob Thorpe | 2013/10/01 08:14 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | j | 2013/10/01 11:12 AM |
There are two of us (or three) | Mark Roulo | 2013/10/01 01:15 PM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Rob Thorpe | 2013/10/01 04:05 PM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Symmetry | 2013/10/02 12:51 PM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Doug S | 2013/10/02 07:44 PM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | rwessel | 2013/10/02 11:21 PM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Clemens Ladisch | 2013/10/03 12:20 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | rwessel | 2013/10/03 01:12 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Symmetry | 2013/10/03 06:19 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Gabriele Svelto | 2013/10/03 02:05 AM |
Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the default | Doug S | 2013/10/03 10:15 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/09/26 02:59 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Maynard Handley | 2013/09/26 03:53 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/10/01 10:55 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Linus Torvalds | 2013/09/26 08:15 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/10/01 10:45 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/10/02 10:14 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | John Poole | 2013/10/02 10:03 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | anon | 2013/10/03 12:00 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Doug S | 2013/10/03 10:08 AM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Alberto | 2013/09/25 01:50 PM |
Charlie re: Apple and ARM | Ronald Maas | 2013/09/24 10:39 PM |