The decline of Itanium

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), September 29, 2013 2:15 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
mas (a.delete@this.b.com) on September 29, 2013 12:11 pm wrote:
> bakaneko (nyan.delete@this.hyan.wan) on September 29, 2013 11:53 am wrote:
> > mas (a.delete@this.b.com) on September 29, 2013 11:12 am wrote:
> > > bakaneko (nyan.delete@this.hyan.wan) on September 29, 2013 9:48 am wrote:
> > > > mas (a.delete@this.b.com) on September 29, 2013 9:31 am wrote:
> > > > > bakaneko (nyan.delete@this.hyan.wan) on September 29, 2013 8:59 am wrote:
> > > > > > mas (a.delete@this.b.com) on September 29, 2013 6:45 am wrote:
> > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on September 28, 2013 5:09 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dan Fay (daniel.fay.delete@this.gmail.com) on September 28, 2013 3:38 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on September 28, 2013 1:11 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on September 28, 2013 11:39 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That suggests to me that it very likely costs Intel more to make Bay Trail than it costs Samsung to make
> > > > > > > > > > > A7, and when you add that to their higher gross margin the purchase price to the customer would probably
> > > > > > > > > > > be at least 50% higher
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You mean, Bay Trail Android tablets will be 50% more expensive to customers than A7-based iPad?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I read it as the "customer" being the tablet maker, not the end user, but that's just
> > > > > > > > > me. In the iPhone 5S, the A7 is about 10% of the phone's manufacturing cost, and is cheaper
> > > > > > > > > than the modem and screen, and about the same price as the phone's chassis.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, that's how I intended it. 50% more meaning $10 more than the $20 cost of A7. Not a huge
> > > > > > > > factor in terms of the final cost of the whole tablet, but not insignificant, either. Intel
> > > > > > > > could certainly make up for that with under the table "market development" money like they've
> > > > > > > > handed out for years. It doesn't appear they've played that card in the mobile market yet (or
> > > > > > > > if they have its been an utter failure) but at some point they're going to have to resort to
> > > > > > > > it to fool their shareholders into thinking they're meeting with some success versus ARM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can get about 500 Bay Trail dies from a 300mm wafer assuming 80-90% yields. The
> > > > > > > raw wafer cost is about $3K as Intel does not have to pay itself a foundry margin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.icknowledge.com/products/icmodel.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > which means each Bay Trail is about $6, add a dollar for packaging gives you $7 which means 65% GMs at $20.
> > > > > > > This is how Digitimes can report Bay Trails will be as low as $10 which I assume will be the dual-core bin
> > > > > > > rejects allowing Intel 30% margin if they have to produce
> > > > > > > non-defect extras out of the quad-core die to meet
> > > > > > > a dual-core order. Clovertrail+ will be about $7 too with
> > > > > > > Medfield and Merrifield both about $5 die cost and
> > > > > > > the 32nm Atoms will now be sold at cost to get market share
> > > > > > > against A7, A8, A9, A12 SoCs etc and they are appearing
> > > > > > > in $100-200 android devices now. Intel is price competitive
> > > > > > > *now * against much smaller ARM cores because it
> > > > > > > does not have to pay a foundry margin which bumps up wafer cost to about $5.5K (see link).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Intel has to pay a foundry margin to its
> > > > > > own foundries unlike what you claim. It's
> > > > > > just under a different name in the books,
> > > > > > if there is any difference at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To expand on my earlier reply, it does not work like that for Intel. FABs/process
> > > > > technology comes under capital expenditure and R&D for Intel which is already
> > > > > paid for by Core revenue and profit. Atoms can piggy bank on this.
> > > >
> > > > That's silly, it doesn't matter what chip
> > > > comes first. Except you point at something
> > > > else, which you didn't explicitly state...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I did not think I needed to state that Intel's traditional x86 Core architecture already
> > > pays for its foundry and process technology out of its gross profits still leaving excess
> > > billions for buybacks/dividends/retained profit. After all it's only been Intel's business
> > > model ever since they started x86 thirty odd years ago. Sorry for assuming too much.
> >
> > But everyone else has a lot of money, too,
> > so I still don't get it...
>
> Here's the deal, the foundries are not going to reduce their gross margins to zero just so fabless companies
> can play CPU Wars with Intel. They are separate companies and they will take the most profitable business
> which may not involve unprofitable application SoCs competing with Intel. Intel OTOH can price any of its
> chips any which way they like to win any socket and Otellini specifically said he would not be beaten on
> price for a mobile socket. Apple/Samsung can afford to take a loss on a SoC as they could make it up on
> the device but all those little Chinese fabless companies selling just SoCs could be future toast.

There are limits to what Otellini can do to subsidize ATOM sales. If he pushes too hard (either on price, or on trying to make up money by restrictions on how and where Atom can be used, and with what other silicon) he's going to get hit with some form of dumping suit in the US and/or EU. Given Intel's past history, such a suit would not be immediately dismissed, and could be very costly --- and having said something like "we will not be beaten on price" you're just making it easy for the competition to win the suit.

Which means that the prices charged just cannot stray TOO far from reality.

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                                The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/27 08:52 AM
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                                The decline of ItaniumKira2013/09/27 09:19 AM
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                                                                            Intel vs. industry gapAnon2013/10/02 11:15 PM
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                                                                The decline of IntelKevin G2013/10/05 07:14 AM
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                                                                    The decline of IntelDoug S2013/10/06 09:11 PM
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                                                             Tool Reuse, CAPEX Efficiencytarlinian2013/10/02 02:55 PM
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                                                        Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??Paul A. Clayton2013/10/01 04:27 PM
                                                          Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??anon2013/10/01 07:07 PM
                                                            Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 10:04 PM
                                                            Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 10:06 PM
                                                              Reducing Intel's lead with less than twice the spending??mas2013/10/01 10:06 PM
                                                  Intel fabs on 22nmAlberto2013/10/01 02:23 AM
                                                  The decline of Intelmas2013/10/01 03:24 PM
                                                The decline of Intelanon2013/09/30 05:00 PM
                                          The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/09/29 10:19 PM
                                            competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 05:33 AM
                                              competitive marketDavid Kanter2013/09/30 07:39 AM
                                                competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 08:08 AM
                                                  competitive marketDavid Kanter2013/09/30 11:08 AM
                                                    competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 01:00 PM
                                                    competitive marketAnon2013/10/02 11:34 PM
                                              competitive marketDoug S2013/09/30 10:13 AM
                                                competitive marketRichardC2013/09/30 10:28 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/27 09:07 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 10:30 AM
                                The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 11:00 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumTREZA2013/09/27 12:50 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumMegol2013/09/27 11:52 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 04:03 PM
                                    The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 02:22 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/28 08:00 AM
                                        That's BSDavid Kanter2013/09/28 08:22 AM
                                        The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 04:15 PM
                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 08:01 AM
                                          The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 08:06 AM
                                          The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/29 10:06 AM
                                            Apple has 2-3 CPU design teamsDavid Kanter2013/09/29 10:39 AM
                                              The End of Moore's Lawhobold2013/09/30 02:00 AM
                                                Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.Mark Roulo2013/09/30 09:50 AM
                                                  Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.David Kanter2013/09/30 12:41 PM
                                                    Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.EduardoS2013/09/30 01:05 PM
                                                    Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Mark Roulo2013/09/30 02:15 PM
                                                      Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/09/30 07:09 PM
                                                      Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/09/30 07:16 PM
                                                        Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/09/30 08:05 PM
                                                          Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/01 11:28 AM
                                                            Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/10/01 03:20 PM
                                                              Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/01 07:51 PM
                                                          Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/01 12:03 PM
                                                            Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?mas2013/10/01 03:17 PM
                                                              Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/01 09:18 PM
                                                                Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Doug S2013/10/02 09:18 AM
                                                                  Shouldn't the customers have *SOME* reason to move to the new process?Exophase2013/10/02 09:28 AM
                                                    Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.tarlinian2013/09/30 06:02 PM
                                                      Lower cost to process scaling can no longer be assumed.David Kanter2013/09/30 08:20 PM
                                                The End of Moore's LawGreg Gritton2013/10/01 08:11 AM
                                                  The End of Moore's LawKevin G2013/10/02 09:48 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumFoo_2013/09/28 07:50 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/28 03:17 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/27 01:51 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 09:58 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 10:39 AM
                                      The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 12:11 PM
                                        The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/28 02:38 PM
                                          The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 04:09 PM
                                            The decline of ItaniumDan Fay2013/09/28 04:59 PM
                                            The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 05:45 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniumnone2013/09/29 06:10 AM
                                                Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 06:31 AM
                                                  Bay Trail die costnone2013/09/29 06:40 AM
                                                    Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 07:11 AM
                                                      Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 07:16 AM
                                                      Bay Trail die costDoug S2013/09/29 10:13 AM
                                                        Bay Trail die costmas2013/09/29 10:59 AM
                                                  Bay Trail die costRichardC2013/10/01 05:20 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 07:59 AM
                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 08:16 AM
                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 08:31 AM
                                                  The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 08:48 AM
                                                    The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 10:12 AM
                                                      The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/29 10:53 AM
                                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 11:11 AM
                                                          The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 02:15 PM
                                                            The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 10:28 PM
                                                              The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/30 12:26 AM
                                                                The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/30 06:20 AM
                                                                  The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/30 07:04 PM
                                                                    The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/30 07:42 PM
                                                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/30 10:32 PM
                                                                        The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/09/30 11:43 PM
                                                                          The decline of Itaniumanon2013/10/01 01:37 AM
                                                                            The decline of ItaniumDavid Kanter2013/10/01 08:17 AM
                                                                        The decline of Itaniummas2013/10/01 12:54 AM
                                                                          The decline of Itaniumanon2013/10/01 01:39 AM
                                                          The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/30 03:26 AM
                                                      The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 02:08 PM
                                                        The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/29 03:50 PM
                                                          The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 10:42 PM
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                                                              Restricted rules for initial process use at foundries?Ricardo B2013/09/30 11:47 PM
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                                                    $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7Michael S2013/10/03 09:58 AM
                                                    $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7RichardC2013/10/03 10:07 AM
                                                      cheap would be in kindle fireRichardC2013/10/03 10:12 AM
                                                      $150 7" 800p Z2580 Dell Venue 7none2013/10/03 10:13 AM
                                                        Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifeMichael S2013/10/03 01:18 PM
                                                          Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifenone2013/10/03 02:17 PM
                                                            Samsung Galaxy Tab battery lifeExophase2013/10/03 02:42 PM
                                          The decline of Itaniumnone2013/09/29 01:15 AM
                                            The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/29 10:25 AM
                                              The decline of Itaniummas2013/09/29 11:23 AM
                                              Qualcomm?David Kanter2013/09/29 10:45 PM
                                                Qualcomm?none2013/09/30 12:36 AM
                                                  Qualcomm?Alberto2013/10/01 08:03 AM
                                                  Qualcomm?Alberto2013/10/01 12:03 PM
                                        A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailThu2013/09/28 07:52 PM
                                          A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailMichael S2013/09/29 01:24 AM
                                            A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailMaynard Handley2013/09/29 08:41 AM
                                            A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailbakaneko2013/09/29 09:44 AM
                                              A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailLinus Torvalds2013/09/29 01:22 PM
                                                A7 much faster at graphics than BayTrailnone2013/09/29 02:37 PM
                              The decline of Itaniumanoanon2013/09/28 03:14 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumDoug S2013/09/28 10:44 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/09/28 08:31 AM
                            The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/09/27 08:47 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumDavid Hess2013/10/05 05:35 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumKevin G2013/10/06 07:55 AM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/10/06 08:13 AM
                            The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/27 09:10 AM
                              The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 11:24 AM
                                The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/27 12:39 PM
                                  The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/27 01:38 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/27 02:49 PM
                                      The decline of Itaniumsomeone2013/09/28 08:20 AM
                                        The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/28 10:05 AM
                                  The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/27 08:22 PM
                                    The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 11:45 PM
                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 02:08 AM
                                    The decline of ItaniumEduardoS2013/09/28 10:08 AM
                                      The decline of Itaniumanon2013/09/28 04:17 PM
                                        The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/29 02:29 AM
                                The decline of Itaniumbakaneko2013/09/27 12:41 PM
                                Difficulty of measuring performance from ArchitecturePaul A. Clayton2013/09/27 02:23 PM
                                  Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecturesomeone2013/09/27 03:46 PM
                                    Difficulty of measuring performance from ArchitectureEduardoS2013/09/27 03:52 PM
                                      Difficulty of measuring performance from Architecturesomeone2013/09/27 04:10 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumMaynard Handley2013/09/27 04:09 PM
                                  The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 10:19 AM
                                why did you exclude EV7?Michael S2013/09/28 10:16 AM
                                  why did you exclude EV7?slacker2013/09/28 07:37 PM
                                    why did you exclude EV7?Michael S2013/09/28 11:50 PM
                                    Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect? (NT)Paul A. Clayton2013/09/29 09:06 AM
                                      Wasn't Athlon XP also copper interconnect?slacker2013/09/29 02:17 PM
                                        Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al?Paul A. Clayton2013/09/30 04:14 PM
                                          Was the SPEC CPU2000 result CU or Al?slacker2013/10/01 01:48 AM
                              The decline of ItaniumRicardo B2013/09/28 03:23 PM
                                The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/29 02:46 AM
                          The decline of ItaniumMegol2013/09/27 10:02 AM
                            The decline of ItaniumMichael S2013/09/28 12:31 PM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMSimon Farnsworth2013/09/25 03:06 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 03:22 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMSimon Farnsworth2013/09/25 04:32 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 04:59 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDavid Kanter2013/09/25 12:26 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 04:32 PM
                  future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 05:58 AM
                    future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 06:43 AM
                      future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 08:00 AM
                        future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 08:24 AM
                          future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/25 10:46 AM
                            future of eDRAManon2013/09/25 04:39 PM
                              future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/26 09:51 AM
                                future of eDRAMDavid Kanter2013/09/28 09:29 AM
                              future of eDRAMbakaneko2013/09/27 04:23 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMKevin G2013/09/25 06:18 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 07:02 AM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 09:23 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 09:59 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMNiels Jørgen Kruse2013/09/25 10:59 AM
                          Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 11:46 AM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/25 01:15 PM
                          POWER8 has 8 threads per coreMark Roulo2013/09/25 03:18 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMsomeone2013/09/25 07:07 AM
                  Thanks, very informative (NT)anon2013/09/25 07:11 AM
                  Keep in mind IBM has eDRAM elsewhere than POWER (NT)anon2013/09/25 10:03 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMRichardC2013/09/25 06:12 AM
              It isn't just memory controllersMark Roulo2013/09/25 08:09 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMFoo_2013/09/23 11:52 PM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDrazick2013/09/23 09:29 AM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 10:55 AM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMDrazick2013/09/23 11:00 AM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/23 03:01 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/23 04:31 PM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/23 06:34 PM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/24 12:11 PM
      Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/24 05:17 PM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/24 07:44 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 12:56 AM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMnone2013/09/25 01:50 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 02:06 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/25 02:14 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/09/25 02:28 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/25 03:24 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMnone2013/09/25 03:55 AM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMEduardoS2013/09/25 01:07 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/25 09:01 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/25 12:12 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/25 01:23 PM
          Charlie re: Apple and ARMWilco2013/09/25 01:45 AM
            Charlie re: Apple and ARMLinus Torvalds2013/09/25 04:49 PM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMMichael S2013/09/26 09:52 AM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 10:51 AM
                  Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsMark Roulo2013/09/26 12:04 PM
                    Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/26 01:07 PM
                      Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsMark Roulo2013/09/26 02:06 PM
                        Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/26 05:21 PM
                          Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsrwessel2013/09/26 05:44 PM
                          Animated GIF seems slow on iPadssysanon2013/09/27 03:33 PM
                            Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/27 05:29 PM
                              Animated GIF seems slow on iPadssysanon2013/09/27 07:36 PM
                                Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsDoug S2013/09/27 08:07 PM
                                  Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsanonymou52013/09/27 11:58 PM
                              Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsJ.Random Webmasta2013/09/28 12:11 AM
                        Slow with Core i7 920Jouni Osmala2013/09/26 10:25 PM
                    Animated GIF seems slow on iPadsNoSpammer2013/09/27 12:13 AM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 12:18 PM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 01:19 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 01:35 PM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/26 02:11 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/09/26 05:31 PM
                          Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/27 10:02 PM
                      Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David W2013/09/27 12:47 AM
                        Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David Kanter2013/09/28 09:09 AM
                          Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David Hess2013/09/28 09:21 AM
                            Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 10:00 AM
                              Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David Hess2013/09/28 10:27 AM
                              Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)bakaneko2013/09/28 11:11 AM
                                Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 11:50 AM
                                  Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)EduardoS2013/09/28 12:50 PM
                                    Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/09/28 01:05 PM
                                  Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Doug S2013/09/28 04:15 PM
                                    Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)David Hess2013/09/28 07:03 PM
                                      Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Gabriele Svelto2013/09/30 03:23 AM
                                        Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Jukka Larja2013/09/30 06:23 AM
                                          Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Doug S2013/09/30 07:19 PM
                                            Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Jukka Larja2013/10/01 03:55 AM
                                              Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Rob Thorpe2013/10/01 07:26 AM
                                                Firefox PDF reader (re: Charlie re: Apple and ARM)Michael S2013/10/01 12:53 PM
                                                  Adobe Acrobat reader start up timeMichael S2013/10/02 12:19 AM
                                                    Adobe Acrobat reader start up timebdcrazy2013/10/11 05:28 AM
                          Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultRob Thorpe2013/10/01 07:14 AM
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                              There are two of us (or three)Mark Roulo2013/10/01 12:15 PM
                              Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultRob Thorpe2013/10/01 03:05 PM
                            Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultSymmetry2013/10/02 11:51 AM
                              Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultDoug S2013/10/02 06:44 PM
                                Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultrwessel2013/10/02 10:21 PM
                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultClemens Ladisch2013/10/02 11:20 PM
                                    Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultrwessel2013/10/03 12:12 AM
                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultSymmetry2013/10/03 05:19 AM
                                Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultGabriele Svelto2013/10/03 01:05 AM
                                  Firefox PDF reader - am I the only person who likes the defaultDoug S2013/10/03 09:15 AM
              Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/09/26 01:59 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMMaynard Handley2013/09/26 02:53 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/01 09:55 PM
                Charlie re: Apple and ARMLinus Torvalds2013/09/26 07:15 PM
                  Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/01 09:45 PM
                    Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/10/02 09:14 AM
                      Charlie re: Apple and ARMJohn Poole2013/10/02 09:03 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARManon2013/10/02 11:00 PM
                        Charlie re: Apple and ARMDoug S2013/10/03 09:08 AM
        Charlie re: Apple and ARMAlberto2013/09/25 12:50 PM
    Charlie re: Apple and ARMRonald Maas2013/09/24 09:39 PM
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