Wilco (Wilco.Dijkstra.delete@this.ntlworld.com) on August 9, 2014 2:30 pm wrote:
> Alberto (git.delete@this.git.it) on August 9, 2014 2:13 pm wrote:
> > Wilco (Wilco.Dijkstra.delete@this.ntlworld.com) on August 9, 2014 1:49 pm wrote:
> > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 9, 2014 12:38 pm wrote:
> > > > anon (no.delete@this.thank.you) on August 9, 2014 10:17 am wrote:
> > > > > juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 9, 2014 6:43 am wrote:
> > > > > > Aaron Spink (aaronspink.delete@this.notearthlink.net) on August 9, 2014 3:44 am wrote:
> > > > > > > juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 8, 2014 10:49 am wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take a modern A57 core. According to AMD the A57 Opteron is faster than jaguar based Opteron but
> > > > > > > > consumes less power. The ARM core performance is ~40% faster, and consumes roughly one half.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Faster at what? Its a bunch of market point pointing to nothingness.
> > >
> > > Jaguar has about the same IPC as Cortex-A15, so is it really that hard to believe A57 is much faster?
> >
> > I don't see proof behind your claim. Looking how performs Jaguar vs.
> > Silvermont, i can say Jaguar is pretty neck to neck with A57.
>
> Eh how did you come to that (incorrect) conclusion? Jaguar and
> Silvermont are similar, but A57 is in a different league.

I think not. Jaguar at 1.5Ghz is capable to deliver the same monothread performance of a 2.4Ghz Silvermont core (turbo on, one thread active). Low power Puma is the right core IMO but AMD can not afford a brand new server implementation.

>
> > > > I can believe it. Jaguar is low-power low-frequency design with comfort zone around 1.5 GHz.
> > > > If you take Jaguar to 2GHz (as in Opterons) it is very probable that
> > > > it's going to lose to A57 both in power and in performance.
> > > > That's why AMD builds overwhelming majority of their Opterons around Buldozer and Piledriver cores now and
> > > > likely going to migrate to Steamroller in the near future. If I am not mistaken, out of dozens of Opteron
> > > > models only 2 are based on Jaguar, i.e. even less that there are Xeon models based on Silvermont.
> > > > And their main selling point of Jaguar-based Opterons is
> > > > low price rather than high performance or low power.
> > > > In fact, power-wise Jaguar-based Opterons are pretty uninteresting - 17W for
> > > > quad-core GPU-less 2 GHz part. For comparison, Intel Avoton has 20 W octacore
> > > > at 2.4 GHz. But the later costs (list) $171 while the former only $64.
> > > >
> > > > Still, although I believe it, I'd really like to see published SPECInt
> > > > numbers for ARM-based Opterons instead of internal lab estimates.
> > >
> > > Anand quoted 80 SPECint_rate for Seattle and 28.1 for X2150, ie. ~43% more SPECint per core. That's
> > > likely with the same uncore as AMD would reuse their existing L2/L3 cache and DRAM controllers. Note
> > > also these are old results, ARM recently updated the A57 performance estimates showing better results,
> > > and GCC work on ARM64 is obviously still ongoing, so actual results should be better than claimed.
> > >
> > > As for power, the A57 version uses 25W while Jaguar uses
> > > 22W, so when running full-out at the same performance
> > > A57 uses 40% of the power of Jaguar (with frequency scaling it should be far better than that).
> > >
> > > Wilco
> >
> > It's hard to compare a consumer SKU with a device "done" for server space. Obviously there
> > isn't much effort in X2150, well motivated AMD can do much better looking at Mullins.
>
> Both of these are server SKUs, if you have proof otherwise, please do tell.
>
> > "Seattle" is like to say "i have not resources", better buy
> > (not so good) IP from ARM to do multicore cloud cpus.
> > Same thing are doing few little companies around the world trying to grab some market share from Intel.
>
> AMD has already announced a custom ARM64 server core for 2016, so yes it will be like
> one of those little companies such as Broadcomm designing Haswell-class server CPUs.

This is good! AMD has realized that actual ARM IP is not enough beat x86 in raw performance (Avoton is too strong and the follow on even more), we'll see what Amd will be able to do sometime in 2016, still i have some doubts, without money and with a brand new x86 cpu in development Amd can not do miracles unfortunately, my bet is about a slip in 2017/2018 or more.....or never.
Broadcomm?? :), come on!, this Company is focusing on what is most good at (official claim after the drop of the Modem IP). I think the most interesting news in the Samsung renounce to do an ARM server cpu :). Are necessary A LOT of resouces to do a good server SKU, Samsung would have been the right Company.