By: Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com), August 10, 2014 2:21 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 10, 2014 2:21 am wrote:
> Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 9, 2014 10:37 pm wrote:
> > Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org) on August 9, 2014 1:36 pm wrote:
> > > Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 9, 2014 11:51 am wrote:
> > > Even if ISA complexity is noticeable in that space (and as
> > > mentioned, Intel has so far a pretty damn good record
> > > of showing that the x86 ISA isn't a problem, since it has successfully
> > > killed off every single competing RISC/EPIC/insert-crazy-idea-here
> > > architecture), why the hell do you then think that nothing else matters?
> > >
> > > ARM64 isn't that magical. MIPS and alpha were there before it with pretty similar "simple
> > > decoding". You're repeating arguments that didn't make sense the last time around, and that
> > > have been soundly disproven in that thing we call "the real world" (tm) or "the market".
> >
> > Good points.
> > You realize of course that 20 years ago the RISC camp was split
> > into a half dozen factions, none big enough to survive.
> > Sparc and Power will be dead in a few years,
>
> Now you are out of your depth. Even dead Itanium is going to last for at least 5-6
> years. Such live bodies as SPARC and esp. Power will be around for much longer.
Zombies do not count, Freescale is still selling Motorola 68000 chips for Gods sake.
IBM still sells a 64bit upgrade to the ancient 360 mainframe, which has pretty good performance.
The IBM POWER division is losing billions, it has to expand into/create the high end ARM server market or get shut down. IBM has a x86 license, but that would take too long and cost too much to get right, and IBM saw what Intel did to server CPU prices when AMD was competitive.
> > Another prediction:
> > In ten years AMD will not be making any x86 chips. And no one will care. Plenty of ARM64 choices.
>
> It's more likely that in ten years AMD will not exist as independent
> company. If it still exists it's going to make x86.
I expect AMD to get bought out for the engineers with ARM experience, which will cause the x86 license to expire.
> > Brett, who is apparently a f*cking moron. ;) ;) ;)
> Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 9, 2014 10:37 pm wrote:
> > Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org) on August 9, 2014 1:36 pm wrote:
> > > Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 9, 2014 11:51 am wrote:
> > > Even if ISA complexity is noticeable in that space (and as
> > > mentioned, Intel has so far a pretty damn good record
> > > of showing that the x86 ISA isn't a problem, since it has successfully
> > > killed off every single competing RISC/EPIC/insert-crazy-idea-here
> > > architecture), why the hell do you then think that nothing else matters?
> > >
> > > ARM64 isn't that magical. MIPS and alpha were there before it with pretty similar "simple
> > > decoding". You're repeating arguments that didn't make sense the last time around, and that
> > > have been soundly disproven in that thing we call "the real world" (tm) or "the market".
> >
> > Good points.
> > You realize of course that 20 years ago the RISC camp was split
> > into a half dozen factions, none big enough to survive.
> > Sparc and Power will be dead in a few years,
>
> Now you are out of your depth. Even dead Itanium is going to last for at least 5-6
> years. Such live bodies as SPARC and esp. Power will be around for much longer.
Zombies do not count, Freescale is still selling Motorola 68000 chips for Gods sake.
IBM still sells a 64bit upgrade to the ancient 360 mainframe, which has pretty good performance.
The IBM POWER division is losing billions, it has to expand into/create the high end ARM server market or get shut down. IBM has a x86 license, but that would take too long and cost too much to get right, and IBM saw what Intel did to server CPU prices when AMD was competitive.
> > Another prediction:
> > In ten years AMD will not be making any x86 chips. And no one will care. Plenty of ARM64 choices.
>
> It's more likely that in ten years AMD will not exist as independent
> company. If it still exists it's going to make x86.
I expect AMD to get bought out for the engineers with ARM experience, which will cause the x86 license to expire.
> > Brett, who is apparently a f*cking moron. ;) ;) ;)
