By: juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com), August 12, 2014 2:21 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Klimax (danklima.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 11, 2014 10:06 pm wrote:
> juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 11, 2014 7:00 pm wrote:
> > David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com) on August 10, 2014 9:12 pm wrote:
> > > > 20--30% sounds as the right efficiency numbers at that level. Precisely 90W
> > > > ARM SoCs are providing around 80--90% of performance of 140W Haswell Xeons.
> > >
> > > Seriously dude. What 90W ARM server chip is providing performance to customers?
> > >
> > > Let me remind you that server chips must be implemented in
> > > silicon, not power point to provide value to customers.
> > >
> > > And I'm quite willing to bet that no ARM server design in
> > > the next 2-3 years will provide 80% of the performance
> > > of the highest bin Xeon. If they are lucky, they might get to the low-end territory. They probably also
> > > won't have as much memory capacity and generally be inferior across a number of dimensions.
> > >
> > > DK
> >
> > First, you pretended that you didn't hear of any high-performance
> > ARM design, despite many being announced in many places.
> >
> > Then you ignored the specs given to you for one of those designs.
> >
> > Now you ignore any announcement made about "memory capacity": native support for DDR4-2400MHz, "about
> > the same memory bandwidth as a Sandy Bridge Xeon E5", a maximum of 64 GB of memory for SoC...
> >
> > Stop pretending this is low-end territory, it is not:
> >
> > http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/cavium-arm-server-146626
> >
> > http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/06/24/nvidia-gpu-arm-hpc/
> >
> > http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/components/microprocessors-and-dsps/applied-micros-x-gene-challenges-server-processor-market-2014-08/
> >
> >
> No data and not shipping yet. So far there is nothing. There were number of claims,
> nothing survived. Get back when it will ship and evidence will exist.
>
> For now it is as good as vaporware.
Several products and demos were shown during last supercomputer conference, and some are already shipping.
Seriously guys stop this anti-ARM charade.
> juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 11, 2014 7:00 pm wrote:
> > David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com) on August 10, 2014 9:12 pm wrote:
> > > > 20--30% sounds as the right efficiency numbers at that level. Precisely 90W
> > > > ARM SoCs are providing around 80--90% of performance of 140W Haswell Xeons.
> > >
> > > Seriously dude. What 90W ARM server chip is providing performance to customers?
> > >
> > > Let me remind you that server chips must be implemented in
> > > silicon, not power point to provide value to customers.
> > >
> > > And I'm quite willing to bet that no ARM server design in
> > > the next 2-3 years will provide 80% of the performance
> > > of the highest bin Xeon. If they are lucky, they might get to the low-end territory. They probably also
> > > won't have as much memory capacity and generally be inferior across a number of dimensions.
> > >
> > > DK
> >
> > First, you pretended that you didn't hear of any high-performance
> > ARM design, despite many being announced in many places.
> >
> > Then you ignored the specs given to you for one of those designs.
> >
> > Now you ignore any announcement made about "memory capacity": native support for DDR4-2400MHz, "about
> > the same memory bandwidth as a Sandy Bridge Xeon E5", a maximum of 64 GB of memory for SoC...
> >
> > Stop pretending this is low-end territory, it is not:
> >
> > http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/cavium-arm-server-146626
> >
> > http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/06/24/nvidia-gpu-arm-hpc/
> >
> > http://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/components/microprocessors-and-dsps/applied-micros-x-gene-challenges-server-processor-market-2014-08/
> >
> >
> No data and not shipping yet. So far there is nothing. There were number of claims,
> nothing survived. Get back when it will ship and evidence will exist.
>
> For now it is as good as vaporware.
Several products and demos were shown during last supercomputer conference, and some are already shipping.
Seriously guys stop this anti-ARM charade.
