"Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]

By: juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com), August 17, 2014 4:14 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
tarlinian (tarlinian.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 17, 2014 3:08 pm wrote:
> juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 17, 2014 2:29 pm wrote:
> > tarlinian (tarlinian.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 16, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:
> > > juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 16, 2014 12:01 pm wrote:
> > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on August 16, 2014 10:28 am wrote:
> > > > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 16, 2014 9:56 am wrote:
> > > > > > I wouldn't trust anything in that www.electronicsweekly.com story. (It lost all credibility
> > > > > > when it went off on some strange tangent about providing Apple with an A57 variant.) BUT
> > > > > > I think you're being too optimistic about Intel's 14nm. Let's read the
> > > > > > Intel press release closely (ie like a lawyer). Here's what they say:
> > > > > > "
> > > > > > • The first systems based on the Intel® Core™ M processor will be on shelves for the
> > > > > > holiday selling season followed by broader OEM availability in the first half of 2015.
> > > > > > • Additional products based on the Broadwell microarchitecture and
> > > > > > 14nm process technology will be introduced in the coming months.
> > > > > > "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what will be available 1H15 is more Broadwell-Y parts --- ie the parts that may
> > > > > > be of interest to Surface Pro 4 and similar devices, but are probably not of interest
> > > > > > to even MacBook Air level devices, let alone larger laptops and desktops.
> > > > > > REAL Broadwell devices get the very specific due date of "coming months" which doesn't
> > > > > > indicate much confidence on the part of Intel as to when they might ship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charlie at SemiAccurate has stated that dual-core parts will arrive in six months, and quad-core in eleven
> > > > > > months. You can have whatever opinion you like about his accuracy, but everything Intel has said, HOW
> > > > > > they have said it, and what they have NOT said, fits with such an (extremely delayed) schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While I don't disagree with any of that, foundries can call whatever they like "14nm" or "16nm" or "10nm".
> > > > > There is no UK advertising standards group that will fine
> > > > > them if they're stretching the truth. The process
> > > > > name being the same or similar doesn't mean they're necessarily comparable to Intel's 14nm.
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole idea of saying "because Intel promises 14nm on date x" and "these foundries have promised
> > > > > 16nm, 14nm and 10nm on these dates" tells you anything about who is ahead is ludicrous. Intel's
> > > > > 14nm has been delayed, and may be further delayed for higher power Broadwell parts - but maybe it
> > > > > was always planned to be skipped entirely. Maybe the rumor from a year or two ago that Intel would
> > > > > not sell socketed Broadwell parts was true, but not for the reasons that concerned people.
> > > > >
> > > > > The one thing I saw that suggested foundries weren't so far behind Intel after all was
> > > > > the density of Apple's A7 on Samsung's 28nm process, which was a lot closer to Intel's
> > > > > 22nm density than their 28nm density (though granted comparing a mobile ARM SoC versus
> > > > > a mobile x86 SoC based on transistors and die size is far from foolproof)
> > > > >
> > > > > But that doesn't mean that what Samsung calls "14nm" will be 4x as dense as what they call "28nm".
> > > > > Based on what I've read that does at least appear to be true for Intel. And power and performance
> > > > > are a whole other matter, as improving those will typically require sacrifices in density.
> > > >
> > > > Well what Intel decided to call 22nm is what rest of industry calls ~26nm. However, rest of industries
> > > > have decided to redefine the nanometer and play with Intel to the same silly marketing game.
> > > >
> > > > But as you say the node name is irrelevant, what is relevant are its parameters. According
> > > > to the ITRS, the key metric of progress is the M1 HP. Intel 14nm node has a M1 HP of 26nm.
> > > > TSMC 16nm has a M1 HP of 32nm. Thus Intel 14nm has an advantage of about 23% over TSMC 16nm.
> > > > That is about half node, which implies that Intel traditional lead has been reduced. It
> > > > is expected that the lead will vanish at the 10nm node, somewhere in 2016--2017.
> > >
> > > Come on, I've been reading your posts and giving you the benefit of the doubt on microarchitecture,
> > > but are you really going to play the silly node naming game as well? No one expects nodes to
> > > be comparable across competitors. (But I will note that Intel didn't decide to arbitrarily call
> > > 32/22 nm 28/20 nm. They freely admit that the same generation foundry processes have better
> > > density. Each node has scaled quite well from the previous one. 14/16 nm will have no effective
> > > shrink outside of what you can wring from having better performing devices.)
> > >
> >
> > Even former Intel people agrees on that Intel relabeled nodes and reinvented the nanometer for marketing
> > purposes. Hans (Chip architect) has explained this silly marketing game much better than I could do:
> >
> >
No, What TSMC/IBM/Samsung/GF said is:
> >
> > We call these processes 14nm / 16nm because:
> > Intel deviated from the official ITRS process naming rules and Intel
> > marketing/shareholders always abuse this against us to claim they
> > are many, many years ahead.
> >

> > Indeed, based on BEOL density Intel's processes should have been called
> > differently according to the official ITRS naming standards:
> >
> > Intel's 65nm should have been called 80nm instead.
> > Intel's 45nm should have been called 55nm instead.
> > Intel's 32nm should have been called 39nm instead.
> >
> > You can see this in the graph below:
> >
> > -The blue squares show the official metal 1 half pitches according to the ITRS.
> > -The purple circles and squares are the actual BEOL metal 1 half pitches of Intel's processes.
> >
> > You can see that going from 90nm to 65nm Intel improved the BEOL MT1
> > by only 5%. They did exactly the same then as TSMC/IBM/Samsung/GF
> > are doing now.
> >
> > It is due to the ignorance of the general public, which has no knowledge
> > of the official process naming rules, that TSMC/IBM/Samsung/GF are
> > forced to deviate from the official naming rules in the same way as Intel
> > did.

> >
> > > You're also ignoring the fact that no one has even announced ship dates for any 14/16 nm products. Until
> > > now we've seen maybe 1 HVM 20 nm parts, the Qualcomm modem. No one other than Intel has started HVM of any
> > > 14/16 nm parts. Forget even just one low power part like
> > > Intel. TSMC claims risk production of 16 nm started
> > > in late 2013. We aren't going to see any 16 nm parts in products until 2H 2015 at the earliest. That's a
> > > 2 year delta. And you think that 10 nm is just going to show up the next year. The foundries might have
> > > decided what their 10 nm process is going to look like by then, forget actually making anything.
> >
> > Broadwell-EP is expected for Q4 2015. Several ARM servers are expected for 2016, including AMD K12.
> > Nobody will be announcing ship dates this early, but the products are expected for that time.
>
> If you continue to believe that M1 half-pitch is all that matters when comparing process technologies,
> I don't suppose there's any point in discussing this with you. That might have been true 20 years
> ago when everyone's transistors were identical, wire delay was meaningless, leakage didn't matter
> and no one even bothered considering design rules, but it certainly isn't true now.

What I said is again different to what you interpret. Moreover, this is a slide from a talk given by Andrew B Kahng the past year (it is not 20 years ago)


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                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 02:56 AM
                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Kira2014/08/16 09:07 AM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/16 09:56 AM
                                                "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Doug S2014/08/16 10:28 AM
                                                  "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 12:01 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/16 01:56 PM
                                                      "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/17 02:29 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 03:08 PM
                                                          Metal pitchesDavid Kanter2014/08/17 03:20 PM
                                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/17 04:14 PM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 11:49 AM
                                            Intel manufacturing advantage is still hereDavid Kanter2014/08/16 11:27 AM
                                              Intel manufacturing advantage is still herejuanrga2014/08/16 12:45 PM
                                                Intel manufacturing advantage is still hereDavid Kanter2014/08/16 02:16 PM
                                                  Intel manufacturing advantage is still herejuanrga2014/08/17 02:52 PM
                                                    History is very usefulDavid Kanter2014/08/17 03:18 PM
                                                      History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsjuanrga2014/08/17 04:33 PM
                                                        History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsDavid Kanter2014/08/17 06:28 PM
                                                          History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsPurana Archer2014/08/18 03:32 AM
                                                            History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsGabriele Svelto2014/08/18 08:17 AM
                                                              History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsMaynard Handley2014/08/18 01:36 PM
                                                                History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsGabriele Svelto2014/08/19 01:53 AM
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                                                          Intel has process advantage.juanrga2014/08/19 03:00 AM
                                                            Intel has process advantage.Jouni Osmala2014/08/20 04:33 AM
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                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/25 02:14 PM
                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/25 03:11 PM
                                                                          Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/25 10:12 PM
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                                                                              Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 03:38 AM
                                                                                Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 03:52 AM
                                                                                  Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 03:55 AM
                                                                                    Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 04:07 AM
                                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 04:40 AM
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                                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/27 04:15 AM
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                                                                              Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 04:44 PM
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                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 02:22 AM
                                                                      Are you really that daft?Daniel B2014/08/26 05:00 AM
                                                                        Are you really that daft?Ronald Maas2014/08/26 04:37 PM
                                                                          Conservative, or just realistic?Daniel B2014/08/27 01:27 AM
                                                                      Some new data to scrap overMaynard Handley2014/08/27 01:34 PM
                                                                        Some new data to scrap overAaron Spink2014/08/27 02:21 PM
                                                                          Some new data to scrap overWilco2014/08/27 03:38 PM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overAaron Spink2014/08/27 11:22 PM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overgallier22014/08/28 02:26 AM
                                                                          Some new data to scrap overMaynard Handley2014/08/27 03:56 PM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overAaron Spink2014/08/27 11:14 PM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overgallier22014/08/28 02:42 AM
                                                                              Some new data to scrap overWilco2014/08/28 05:11 AM
                                                                        Some new data to scrap overjuanrga2014/08/27 04:35 PM
                                                                          Some new data to scrap overAaron Spink2014/08/28 12:04 AM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overjuanrga2014/08/28 06:57 AM
                                                                        Some new data to scrap overRicardo B2014/08/29 09:14 AM
                                                Will there ever be a desktop Broadwell?Doug S2014/08/16 08:06 PM
                                                  Will there ever be a desktop Broadwell?Ricardo B2014/08/17 07:01 AM
                                                  Will there ever be a desktop Broadwell?juanrga2014/08/17 02:43 PM
                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Aaron Spink2014/08/16 09:10 PM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]dmcq2014/08/17 02:58 AM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 10:06 AM
                                                "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 10:40 AM
                                                  "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:37 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 01:12 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Alberto2014/08/17 01:12 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Michael S2014/08/17 01:15 PM
                                                      "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 01:45 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Michael S2014/08/17 02:13 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]David Kanter2014/08/17 03:29 PM
                                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 04:10 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 05:08 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Klimax2014/08/17 10:42 PM
                                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/18 01:21 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Alberto2014/08/18 04:19 AM
                                                            Die Size matters a LOT!Jouni Osmala2014/08/18 01:21 PM
                                        I agreeDavid Hess2014/08/17 03:24 PM
                                      I agreeRonald Maas2014/08/15 11:14 PM
                                        I agreedmcq2014/08/16 03:53 AM
                                          Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 04:55 AM
                                            Beyond web serversdmcq2014/08/16 05:40 AM
                                              Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 11:43 AM
                                                Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/16 10:07 PM
                                                  Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 02:35 PM
                                                    Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/17 04:24 PM
                                                      Beyond web serversdmcq2014/08/18 05:50 AM
                                                        Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/18 03:58 PM
                                            Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/16 12:43 PM
                                              Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 12:55 PM
                                                Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/16 01:04 PM
                                                  Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 08:19 AM
                                                    Beyond web serversrwessel2014/08/17 09:34 AM
                                                    Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 10:23 AM
                                                      Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/17 11:04 AM
                                                        Beyond web serversRicardo B2014/08/17 11:37 AM
                                                          Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 12:31 PM
                                                      Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 04:59 PM
                                                        Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 06:42 PM
                                                          Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/18 02:39 PM
                                              Beyond web serversGabriele Svelto2014/08/16 11:33 PM
                                                Beyond web serversRonald Maas2014/08/17 09:06 AM
                                                  Amdahl's law (NT)Michael S2014/08/17 11:08 AM
                                                Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 02:41 PM
                                      Xeon-class performancePaul A. Clayton2014/08/16 10:31 AM
                                        Xeon-class performancejuanrga2014/08/16 11:53 AM
                                          Xeon-class performanceKlimax2014/08/17 02:29 PM
                              Design targets aren't datadistantobserver2014/08/16 12:22 PM
                      x86 theoretical limit on maximum performance.Kevin G2014/08/10 10:26 PM
                    A strong answer to this crap article on Extremetechanon2014/08/10 05:25 PM
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                        A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechExophase2014/08/10 10:03 PM
                          A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechAaron Spink2014/08/11 12:33 AM
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                              A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechAaron Spink2014/08/11 04:02 AM
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                  A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechMegol2014/08/11 08:10 AM
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              A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechGabriele Svelto2014/08/10 12:37 AM
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                  A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechGabriele Svelto2014/08/11 12:08 PM
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                          A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechMegol2014/08/12 05:48 AM
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          A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechDavid Kanter2014/08/08 11:36 PM
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              A strong answer to this crap article on Extremetechdmcq2014/08/09 03:00 AM
              A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechAaron Spink2014/08/09 03:54 AM
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                  A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechAaron Spink2014/08/11 12:48 AM
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              ISA doesn't matterDavid Kanter2014/08/09 10:50 AM
                ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/09 11:51 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterLinus Torvalds2014/08/09 01:36 PM
                    ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/09 10:37 PM
                      ISA doesn't matterMichael S2014/08/10 02:21 AM
                        ISA doesn't matterdmcq2014/08/10 04:06 AM
                        ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/10 02:21 PM
                          ISA doesn't matteranon2014/08/10 09:03 PM
                            ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/10 11:45 PM
                              ISA doesn't matterAaron Spink2014/08/11 12:57 AM
                              ISA doesn't matteranon2014/08/11 04:18 AM
                                ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/16 03:38 PM
                              ISA doesn't matter -- PARMAook2014/08/26 11:50 AM
                          IBM fab business is losing money, the POWER line is notMark Roulo2014/08/11 07:44 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterTREZA2014/08/10 04:27 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterjuanrga2014/08/10 05:34 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterMichael S2014/08/10 06:01 AM
                        ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:28 PM
                          ISA does matterMichael S2014/08/12 01:20 AM
                            ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 02:38 AM
                              ISA does matterAaron Spink2014/08/12 03:06 AM
                                ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 03:27 AM
                                  ISA does matterUngo2014/08/12 03:28 PM
                                    ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 03:43 PM
                                      Banning of Juanrgagallier22014/08/13 08:56 AM
                                        bad idea (NT)Michael S2014/08/13 09:02 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterAaron Spink2014/08/10 07:48 AM
                      Best *Student* Paper Paul A. Clayton2014/08/10 12:31 PM
                ISA doesn't matterjuanrga2014/08/10 04:32 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterWilco2014/08/10 05:48 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterLinus Torvalds2014/08/10 11:38 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterUngo2014/08/11 03:59 PM
                ISA doesn't matterEtienne2014/08/11 07:17 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterGabriele Svelto2014/08/12 11:31 PM
                    ISA doesn't matterEtienne2014/08/13 03:09 AM
          A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechAaron Spink2014/08/09 03:44 AM
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                                Thank you (NT)Michael S2014/08/10 07:16 AM
                                Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.Alberto2014/08/11 02:57 AM
                                  Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.Wilco2014/08/11 03:14 AM
                                  Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.David Hess2014/08/11 11:56 AM
                                    Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.juanrga2014/08/11 07:32 PM
                              ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:34 PM
                          A strong answer to this crap article on Extremetechjuanrga2014/08/10 06:19 AM
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                                Applied Micro systems not benchmarkedDavid Kanter2014/08/13 11:29 AM
                                  Applied Micro systems not benchmarkedjuanrga2014/08/13 11:51 AM
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              ISA importance and bike sheddingPaul A. Clayton2014/08/11 02:39 AM
              A strong answer to this crap article on ExtremetechJouni Osmala2014/08/11 03:43 AM
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            ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:48 PM
              ISA does matterUngo2014/08/12 04:37 PM
                ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/13 05:18 AM
            Look at the system level, ISA doesn't matterDavid Kanter2014/08/13 11:47 AM
              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Mark Roulo2014/08/14 08:30 AM
                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...juanrga2014/08/16 04:29 AM
                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 09:35 AM
                    POWER guys commented on this years ago ...juanrga2014/08/16 11:35 AM
                    POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/16 12:55 PM
                      POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 02:24 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/16 02:54 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 03:56 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/16 03:02 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...David Kanter2014/08/16 04:09 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/16 05:43 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 06:35 PM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/16 07:17 PM
                              OS/2Ricardo B2014/08/16 07:20 PM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...rwessel2014/08/16 09:36 PM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:24 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 01:41 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Gabriele Svelto2014/08/18 02:20 AM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...rwessel2014/08/16 09:43 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/16 11:30 PM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 06:28 AM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/16 10:25 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 12:10 AM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/17 12:42 AM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 03:40 AM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 06:43 AM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 07:53 AM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 07:42 AM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ronald Maas2014/08/17 09:57 AM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...rwessel2014/08/17 10:40 AM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 12:06 PM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/17 01:56 PM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/17 02:22 PM
                                    POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 03:14 PM
                                      cheap membarsMichael S2014/08/17 05:56 PM
                                        cheap membarsnksingh2014/08/21 11:34 AM
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                                      POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 10:55 PM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Howard Chu2014/08/28 09:17 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/29 07:35 AM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/29 08:34 AM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/29 03:49 PM
                                    POWER guys commented on this years ago ...foobar2014/08/30 09:26 PM
                                      POWER guys commented on this years ago ...dmcq2014/08/31 04:54 AM
                                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Wilco2014/08/31 12:52 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/17 09:52 AM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/17 10:31 AM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Gabriele Svelto2014/08/18 02:11 AM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...nksingh2014/08/25 03:55 AM
                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Patrick Chase2014/08/25 11:15 AM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Patrick Chase2014/08/25 11:23 AM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...nksingh2014/08/25 09:26 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Patrick Chase2014/08/25 11:32 PM
                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/26 04:41 AM
                                    POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/26 06:06 AM
                                      POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/26 05:27 PM
                                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/26 11:02 PM
                                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/26 11:51 PM
                                            POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/28 08:25 PM
                                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/28 10:45 PM
                                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...rwessel2014/08/29 01:14 AM
                                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/29 03:49 AM
                                                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Michael S2014/08/29 06:43 AM
                                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...nksingh2014/08/26 11:54 PM
                                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...dmcq2014/08/27 02:29 AM
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                                    Idiom recognition for LL/SC?Paul A. Clayton2014/08/26 01:28 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Gabriele Svelto2014/08/16 11:22 PM
                      AltiVec was Power6 (NT)Kira2014/08/17 11:33 AM
                        AltiVec was Power6Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:29 PM
                          AltiVec was Power6Kira2014/08/17 12:53 PM
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