By: Aaron Spink (aaronspink.delete@this.notearthlink.net), August 17, 2014 3:24 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 17, 2014 2:35 pm wrote:
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> There is an evident interest for ARM products. OEMs and others want ARM to win,
> as mentioned in the slide that you deleted. One of the reasons why they want ARM
> is because it has the possibility to be powerful and cheaper (check the slide).
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And if only interest meant anything close to what you think it means. There is interest in Sparc, there was interest in Alpha, there was interest in MIPS, there was interest in PA-RISC, there was interest in Power, etc.
OEMs and others don't care if ARM wins or loses. They really don't. They simply want leverage. There was all this same hoopla about AMD at one time too, and yet even those that basically built their own servers just used it to get better prices from Intel.
And yes, I deleted a marketing slide. You have this massive habit of trying to use marketing materials as evidence or authority. If a 10% of what was on marketing slides was actually true, the industry would be totally different, but marketing slides are marketing. That's all they are. Relying on them to have anything approaching fact is rather ignorant of the industry and marketing in general.
As far as ARM having the possibility to be powerful and cheaper, that's unlikely in any sustainable way. For one, all the potential competitors except one have the issue of having to support 50% greater margins. And its unlikely that any competitor is going to be able to sustain any more performance than Intel.
And I won't even go into the historical for the industry to actually switch architectures. Suffice to say, ARM doesn't actually bring anything new to the table.
> Many people care about x86 monopoly, from console makers to goverments.
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No one really cares about any so called x86 monopoly. Neither from console makers to governments. If they actually cares, Sparc and Power would sell significantly more. Alpha would still exist, and MIPS would be competitive. No, they buy the best product they can for the lowest cost they can negotiate.
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> There is an evident interest for ARM products. OEMs and others want ARM to win,
> as mentioned in the slide that you deleted. One of the reasons why they want ARM
> is because it has the possibility to be powerful and cheaper (check the slide).
>
And if only interest meant anything close to what you think it means. There is interest in Sparc, there was interest in Alpha, there was interest in MIPS, there was interest in PA-RISC, there was interest in Power, etc.
OEMs and others don't care if ARM wins or loses. They really don't. They simply want leverage. There was all this same hoopla about AMD at one time too, and yet even those that basically built their own servers just used it to get better prices from Intel.
And yes, I deleted a marketing slide. You have this massive habit of trying to use marketing materials as evidence or authority. If a 10% of what was on marketing slides was actually true, the industry would be totally different, but marketing slides are marketing. That's all they are. Relying on them to have anything approaching fact is rather ignorant of the industry and marketing in general.
As far as ARM having the possibility to be powerful and cheaper, that's unlikely in any sustainable way. For one, all the potential competitors except one have the issue of having to support 50% greater margins. And its unlikely that any competitor is going to be able to sustain any more performance than Intel.
And I won't even go into the historical for the industry to actually switch architectures. Suffice to say, ARM doesn't actually bring anything new to the table.
> Many people care about x86 monopoly, from console makers to goverments.
>
No one really cares about any so called x86 monopoly. Neither from console makers to governments. If they actually cares, Sparc and Power would sell significantly more. Alpha would still exist, and MIPS would be competitive. No, they buy the best product they can for the lowest cost they can negotiate.
