Intel has process advantage.

By: juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com), August 21, 2014 3:05 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on August 21, 2014 1:51 am wrote:
> Jouni Osmala (josmala.delete@this.cc.hut.fi) on August 20, 2014 11:49 pm wrote:
> > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on August 20, 2014 8:17 am wrote:
> > > Jouni Osmala (josmala.delete@this.cc.hut.fi) on August 20, 2014 4:33 am wrote:
> > > > > > I agree on you with ISA effect between ARM and Intel, but for process there is
> > > > > > no-one like Intel, and that's the strong enough force that makes cows fly.
> > > > > > They put more money on process development than anyone for
> > > > > > decades they probably got the best process engineers
> > > > > > since everyone in the field knows if you want to be ahead of everyone else go to Intel. There are plenty of
> > > > > > parameters to tune with different trade offs then you should
> > > > > > consider the pipeline between starting to develop
> > > > > > a manufacturing process to having product at the hands of
> > > > > > the customers, that pipeline is quite long and people
> > > > > > make announcements at different stages of that pipeline
> > > > > > and you have clearly mistaken those stages. Intel got
> > > > > > improved transistors in their 22nm process and now others are
> > > > > > aiming in their 14nm process to have same improvement
> > > > > > in their transistors, but Intel got nice improvement over
> > > > > > their 22nm transistors. So in the end, the manufacturing
> > > > > > process might actually be the thing that keeps x86 ahead of ARM indefinitely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for delay of Broadwell what I think has happened is that 22nm has really good yields and
> > > > > > 14nm yield improvement curve changed temporarily its trajectory to not improving as fast as
> > > > > > traditionally it has and they had to put on hold the retooling for 14nm process, and then they
> > > > > > got it back few months later. And that was quite close to point in which they would start converting
> > > > > > for mass production but just below it. Now if everyone else has same problem, then there is
> > > > > > bigger delay between some production and high volume complex chip than normally.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, Intel has shined in manufacturing and it still has a leading gap over rest of foundries, but my point
> > > > > is that the gap has been reduced in recent times. E.g. Broadwell-EP on 14nm FinFET is scheduled for Q4 2015
> > > > > and ARM SoCs on 16nm FinFET are scheduled for 2016. Intel will have only a half-node advantage this time.
> > > >
> > > > Those ARM SoC:s probably are more Comparable to Broadwell-Y than Broadwell-EP in
> > > > terms of how good defect density you need in order to get reasonable yield.
> > > >
> > > > What different players have disclosed from their 14nm&16nm processes Intel is having significantly
> > > > better 14nm process than anyone else. Others probably need their 10nm process to compete
> > > > with Intel 14nm process. Actually the 14nm intel process is such advantage over competition
> > > > that it just made me scared that future might become all Intel.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone else is investing heavily to get the features Intel already has in its process
> > > > while Intel is investing heavily to get improved version of it, that is Intel is reaping
> > > > the benefit of momentum it has already build up in its process development. Others are spending
> > > > billions to get features Intel spent billions on previous generation process.
> > > > Also TSMC needs to spend more to get all the variants of its process done and to
> > > > get higher momentum than Intel to catch up but we don't see that happening.
> > >
> > > What I see is that a few years ago Intel introduced the crappy Atom with a load of fanfare saying
> > > it was going to crush ARM, and it looked like a very reasonable competitor - but it didn't compete.
> > > Last year it introduced the far better Bay Trail processors to crush ARM but is spending more in
> > > a quarter on 'contra-revenue' and getting even less revenue. And next year it looks like it is putting
> > > variants of its Haswell architecture into the fray. Will Intel have to give contra-revenue away with
> > > its Haswell class cores? And in 2016 or 2017 will they be giving contra-revenue in servers as well
> > > and what will that do to their contra-contra-revenue and prospects for the future?
> >
> > You totally missed the thing I was saying.
> > ARM architecture is CHICKEN, X86 architecture is PIG. Manufacturing process is FORCE.
> > You see both fly, which one has bigger force behind it?
> > I was arguing that no-one can compete with Intel on how much force they can put behind their chips,
> > and that force has increased in alarming way. Atom is an experiment on how low force you can put
> > behind PIG and still get it fly. As with servers they are getting much more force behind it.
> >
> > At atom power level the decoders are quite critical limitation, but with bigger density and power
> > consumption improvements in their manufacturing process than with other foundries, they are gearing
> > towards high end x86 cores in smartphone power consumption levels some years. That's what I consider
> > alarming because I don't want to get stuck with a pig for rest of my life.
>
> And I was pointing out they have been competing for a long time and defeating ARM has always
> been five years in the future. In fact I think their past products looked more like viable competition
> at the time than their present ones and the ones they've announced for 2015. As to the high end
> market they now have the added constraint of trying not to cannibalizing themselves - ask yourself
> at what price are they going to sell these low power high performance chips?

Yes, Intel has been mentioning during years that is going to crush ARM with next gen. This never happens.

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                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 02:56 AM
                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Kira2014/08/16 09:07 AM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/16 09:56 AM
                                                "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Doug S2014/08/16 10:28 AM
                                                  "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 12:01 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/16 01:56 PM
                                                      "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/17 02:29 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 03:08 PM
                                                          Metal pitchesDavid Kanter2014/08/17 03:20 PM
                                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/17 04:14 PM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]juanrga2014/08/16 11:49 AM
                                            Intel manufacturing advantage is still hereDavid Kanter2014/08/16 11:27 AM
                                              Intel manufacturing advantage is still herejuanrga2014/08/16 12:45 PM
                                                Intel manufacturing advantage is still hereDavid Kanter2014/08/16 02:16 PM
                                                  Intel manufacturing advantage is still herejuanrga2014/08/17 02:52 PM
                                                    History is very usefulDavid Kanter2014/08/17 03:18 PM
                                                      History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsjuanrga2014/08/17 04:33 PM
                                                        History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsDavid Kanter2014/08/17 06:28 PM
                                                          History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsPurana Archer2014/08/18 03:32 AM
                                                            History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsGabriele Svelto2014/08/18 08:17 AM
                                                              History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsMaynard Handley2014/08/18 01:36 PM
                                                                History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionsGabriele Svelto2014/08/19 01:53 AM
                                                                History is very useful, but can not be used to make infallible predictionstarlinian2014/08/19 01:14 PM
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                                                        Intel has process advantage.Jouni Osmala2014/08/18 01:36 AM
                                                          Intel has process advantage.juanrga2014/08/19 03:00 AM
                                                            Intel has process advantage.Jouni Osmala2014/08/20 04:33 AM
                                                              Intel has process advantage.dmcq2014/08/20 08:17 AM
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                                                                  Intel has process advantage.dmcq2014/08/20 05:11 PM
                                                                Intel has process advantage.Jouni Osmala2014/08/20 11:49 PM
                                                                  Intel has process advantage.dmcq2014/08/21 01:51 AM
                                                                    Intel has process advantage.juanrga2014/08/21 03:05 AM
                                                                  Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/21 02:15 AM
                                                                    Could you please stopDaniel B2014/08/21 04:41 AM
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                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/25 02:14 PM
                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/25 03:11 PM
                                                                          Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/25 10:12 PM
                                                                            Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 02:16 AM
                                                                              Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 03:38 AM
                                                                                Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 03:52 AM
                                                                                  Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 03:55 AM
                                                                                    Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 04:07 AM
                                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 04:40 AM
                                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingAaron Spink2014/08/26 04:50 AM
                                                                                  Intel process advantage is shrinkingDavid Kanter2014/08/26 06:25 PM
                                                                                    Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/27 04:10 AM
                                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/27 04:15 AM
                                                                            Intel process advantage is shrinkingMaynard Handley2014/08/26 02:49 PM
                                                                              Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 04:44 PM
                                                                              Intel process advantage is shrinkingKlimax2014/08/26 10:37 PM
                                                                      Intel process advantage is shrinkingDoug S2014/08/25 10:24 PM
                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingdmcq2014/08/26 12:17 AM
                                                                        Intel process advantage is shrinkingjuanrga2014/08/26 02:22 AM
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                                                                        Are you really that daft?Ronald Maas2014/08/26 04:37 PM
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                                                                            Some new data to scrap overgallier22014/08/28 02:42 AM
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                                                                        Some new data to scrap overjuanrga2014/08/27 04:35 PM
                                                                          Some new data to scrap overAaron Spink2014/08/28 12:04 AM
                                                                            Some new data to scrap overjuanrga2014/08/28 06:57 AM
                                                                        Some new data to scrap overRicardo B2014/08/29 09:14 AM
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                                                  Will there ever be a desktop Broadwell?Ricardo B2014/08/17 07:01 AM
                                                  Will there ever be a desktop Broadwell?juanrga2014/08/17 02:43 PM
                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Aaron Spink2014/08/16 09:10 PM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]dmcq2014/08/17 02:58 AM
                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 10:06 AM
                                                "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 10:40 AM
                                                  "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:37 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 01:12 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Alberto2014/08/17 01:12 PM
                                                    "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Michael S2014/08/17 01:15 PM
                                                      "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 01:45 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Michael S2014/08/17 02:13 PM
                                                        "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]David Kanter2014/08/17 03:29 PM
                                                          "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/17 04:10 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]tarlinian2014/08/17 05:08 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Klimax2014/08/17 10:42 PM
                                                              "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Maynard Handley2014/08/18 01:21 PM
                                                            "Intel no longer has an obvious lead in process technology" [electronicsweekly]Alberto2014/08/18 04:19 AM
                                                            Die Size matters a LOT!Jouni Osmala2014/08/18 01:21 PM
                                        I agreeDavid Hess2014/08/17 03:24 PM
                                      I agreeRonald Maas2014/08/15 11:14 PM
                                        I agreedmcq2014/08/16 03:53 AM
                                          Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 04:55 AM
                                            Beyond web serversdmcq2014/08/16 05:40 AM
                                              Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 11:43 AM
                                                Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/16 10:07 PM
                                                  Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 02:35 PM
                                                    Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/17 04:24 PM
                                                      Beyond web serversdmcq2014/08/18 05:50 AM
                                                        Beyond web serversAaron Spink2014/08/18 03:58 PM
                                            Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/16 12:43 PM
                                              Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/16 12:55 PM
                                                Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/16 01:04 PM
                                                  Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 08:19 AM
                                                    Beyond web serversrwessel2014/08/17 09:34 AM
                                                    Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 10:23 AM
                                                      Beyond web serversMichael S2014/08/17 11:04 AM
                                                        Beyond web serversRicardo B2014/08/17 11:37 AM
                                                          Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 12:31 PM
                                                      Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 04:59 PM
                                                        Beyond web serversDavid Kanter2014/08/17 06:42 PM
                                                          Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/18 02:39 PM
                                              Beyond web serversGabriele Svelto2014/08/16 11:33 PM
                                                Beyond web serversRonald Maas2014/08/17 09:06 AM
                                                  Amdahl's law (NT)Michael S2014/08/17 11:08 AM
                                                Beyond web serversjuanrga2014/08/17 02:41 PM
                                      Xeon-class performancePaul A. Clayton2014/08/16 10:31 AM
                                        Xeon-class performancejuanrga2014/08/16 11:53 AM
                                          Xeon-class performanceKlimax2014/08/17 02:29 PM
                              Design targets aren't datadistantobserver2014/08/16 12:22 PM
                      x86 theoretical limit on maximum performance.Kevin G2014/08/10 10:26 PM
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              ISA doesn't matterDavid Kanter2014/08/09 10:50 AM
                ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/09 11:51 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterLinus Torvalds2014/08/09 01:36 PM
                    ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/09 10:37 PM
                      ISA doesn't matterMichael S2014/08/10 02:21 AM
                        ISA doesn't matterdmcq2014/08/10 04:06 AM
                        ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/10 02:21 PM
                          ISA doesn't matteranon2014/08/10 09:03 PM
                            ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/10 11:45 PM
                              ISA doesn't matterAaron Spink2014/08/11 12:57 AM
                              ISA doesn't matteranon2014/08/11 04:18 AM
                                ISA doesn't matterBrett2014/08/16 03:38 PM
                              ISA doesn't matter -- PARMAook2014/08/26 11:50 AM
                          IBM fab business is losing money, the POWER line is notMark Roulo2014/08/11 07:44 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterTREZA2014/08/10 04:27 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterjuanrga2014/08/10 05:34 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterMichael S2014/08/10 06:01 AM
                        ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:28 PM
                          ISA does matterMichael S2014/08/12 01:20 AM
                            ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 02:38 AM
                              ISA does matterAaron Spink2014/08/12 03:06 AM
                                ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 03:27 AM
                                  ISA does matterUngo2014/08/12 03:28 PM
                                    ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/12 03:43 PM
                                      Banning of Juanrgagallier22014/08/13 08:56 AM
                                        bad idea (NT)Michael S2014/08/13 09:02 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterAaron Spink2014/08/10 07:48 AM
                      Best *Student* Paper Paul A. Clayton2014/08/10 12:31 PM
                ISA doesn't matterjuanrga2014/08/10 04:32 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterWilco2014/08/10 05:48 AM
                    ISA doesn't matterLinus Torvalds2014/08/10 11:38 AM
                      ISA doesn't matterUngo2014/08/11 03:59 PM
                ISA doesn't matterEtienne2014/08/11 07:17 AM
                  ISA doesn't matterGabriele Svelto2014/08/12 11:31 PM
                    ISA doesn't matterEtienne2014/08/13 03:09 AM
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                                Thank you (NT)Michael S2014/08/10 07:16 AM
                                Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.Alberto2014/08/11 02:57 AM
                                  Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.Wilco2014/08/11 03:14 AM
                                  Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.David Hess2014/08/11 11:56 AM
                                    Nope, Samsung ARM cpu was canned.juanrga2014/08/11 07:32 PM
                              ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:34 PM
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                                Applied Micro systems not benchmarkedDavid Kanter2014/08/13 11:29 AM
                                  Applied Micro systems not benchmarkedjuanrga2014/08/13 11:51 AM
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              ISA importance and bike sheddingPaul A. Clayton2014/08/11 02:39 AM
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            ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/11 07:48 PM
              ISA does matterUngo2014/08/12 04:37 PM
                ISA does matterjuanrga2014/08/13 05:18 AM
            Look at the system level, ISA doesn't matterDavid Kanter2014/08/13 11:47 AM
              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Mark Roulo2014/08/14 08:30 AM
                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...juanrga2014/08/16 04:29 AM
                  POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 09:35 AM
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                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 03:56 PM
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                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...David Kanter2014/08/16 04:09 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/16 05:43 PM
                          POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/16 06:35 PM
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                              OS/2Ricardo B2014/08/16 07:20 PM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...rwessel2014/08/16 09:36 PM
                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:24 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 01:41 PM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Gabriele Svelto2014/08/18 02:20 AM
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                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Aaron Spink2014/08/16 10:25 PM
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                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...anon2014/08/17 03:40 AM
                                POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ricardo B2014/08/17 06:43 AM
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                              POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Ronald Maas2014/08/17 09:57 AM
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                                    Idiom recognition for LL/SC?Paul A. Clayton2014/08/26 01:28 PM
                        POWER guys commented on this years ago ...Gabriele Svelto2014/08/16 11:22 PM
                      AltiVec was Power6 (NT)Kira2014/08/17 11:33 AM
                        AltiVec was Power6Maynard Handley2014/08/17 12:29 PM
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