Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 26, 2014 2:49 pm wrote:
> Klimax (danklima.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 25, 2014 10:12 pm wrote:
> > juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 25, 2014 3:11 pm wrote:
> > > Klimax (danklima.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 25, 2014 2:14 pm wrote:
> > > > juanrga (nospam.delete@this.juanrga.com) on August 25, 2014 12:29 pm wrote:
> > >
> > > > > And TSMC has accelerated roadmap and will start 16nm volume production in 1Q15:
> > > > >
> > > > > Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) will advance volume production on its 16nm
> > > > > process to the first quarter of 2015 with monthly output of 50,000 wafers in order to meet demand
> > > > > for Apple's A9 processors, the Chinese-language Economic Daily News (EDN) has reported.
> > > > >
> > > > > TSMC originally planned to kicked off 16nm volume production in second-quarter 2015.
> > > > > TSMC faces strong competition from Samsung Electronics' foundry business.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140825PB201.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Broadwell-EP @14nm vs ARM server-class @16nm will be an interesting figth to watch.
> > > >
> > > > Only when against all odds TSMC actually delivers. So far their track record is supremely abysmal. So far
> > > > there is high probability ARM server chips on that node will go against later Intel chips, not Broadwell.
> > > > Also it seems that Intel fitted into their 14nm more changes then so far foundries to their "16nm".
> > >
> > > Broadwell-EP is scheduled for Q3 2015. Moreover, Skylake will use same node.
> > >
> > > Intel 14nm will be only about half-node ahead of TSMC 16nm. The gap has reduced.
> > They will likely e against that Skylake.
> > Half-node? They are not yet even fully on "20nm". (one baseband
> > modem and only limited availability) And it doesn't
> > look like they have even similar advantages on 16nm as Intel gets from 14nm. (Under discussion here)
>
> There is every indication that
> - the iPhone 6 will be announced on Sept 9
> - that its SOC is fabbed on TSMC 20nm
> - that it will be available for purchase sometime before the end of Sept
> - that 70 million or so will ship this quarter
>
> By all means argue about the reality of TSMC's 16nm node. But mocking the 20nm node at this date,
> and with these (highly relevant) facts comes across as just silly. To suggest that this 20nm
> product is "less real" than the more-or-less equally mythical at this stage Broadwell-Y (which
> doesn't appear to be in any product I can buy today) is the sort of hyper-legal quibbling that
> suggests one is more interested in scoring points than in understanding the situation.
>
> As for 16nm, Mike Muller (ARM CTO)'s keynote at HotChips 2014 gives some scaling
> results for 16nm along with a date of 2015. Interpret that as you like.

And Keller mentioned about the 16nm node "we're happy with it"...