How many CPU cores?

By: Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar), November 10, 2014 12:47 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on November 9, 2014 7:22 pm wrote:
> > 4. Haswell/big core
>
> The one big core, as I was saying.
>
> Apple also has one big core, but it clocks at 1.4 GHz and pummels competitors that
> are clocked twice as high. (The competitors are not great 2 and 3 wide designs.)
>
> Prediction:
> Intel will design a low clock wide design CPU. This is somewhat in contradiction to the above
> prediction that the next Atom will be yawn inspiring, but that is a different chip.
>
> The net effect is that Intel will actually have three different mainstream CPU designs
> with none of them being a joke like the old Atom. Something Intel should have done
> a decade or more ago, dragged kicking and screaming into the future, inspiring.


If you think Apple went the right way with a lower clocked high IPC core, why would Intel need to design a new core? They could use Crystalwell, substituting low power transistors for high performance ones since they don't need to exceed 2 GHz, and adjust the memory/cache cycle timings to target that reduced max frequency.

They should be able to do quite a bit better than Haswell's normal IPC with the tweaked timings thanks to the lower clock rate, and their 14nm process with low power transistors should handily beat A7/A8 in power, thus beating all the Android SoCs in power.

Intel still has the problem that ARM is well established in the relevant market, and while switching costs are small, the cost of switching back is also small so they can't buy market share with contra revenue. Once they cut that off, everyone would go back to ARM. Since they can't compete on price, they'll have to beat the ARM alternatives by at least 50%, including beating the vaporware processors that aren't out yet but are due soon (traditionally Intel has been in the position where others have to beat their vapor, now the shoe is on the other foot)

Let's say they do all that. Intel is now selling a dream laptop CPU for $30 or so. What's that gonna do for their profitability?
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