Why did Netburst seem like "crap"?

By: Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com), November 11, 2014 6:34 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Kevin G (kevin.delete@this.cubitdesigns.com) on November 11, 2014 9:38 am wrote:
> Paul A. Clayton (paaronclayton.delete@this.gmail.com) on November 11, 2014 8:21 am wrote:
> > Charles (spam.me.delete@this.not.com.au) on November 11, 2014 4:56 am wrote:
> > > Ronald Maas (rmaas.delete@this.wiwo.nl) on November 9, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:
> > > > In the early years of 2000, Intel's strategy made perfect sense at the time. Nowadays in hind
> > > > sight we can easily say they executed poorly. Only in 2005 when AMD's cores start taking market
> > > > share left and right, and when Intel was not able to ramp up Netburst to the envisioned clock
> > > > rates, then it became obvious to them and the rest of the world something needed to change.
> > >
> > > When some student friends and me read the first papers about the Netburst micro-architecture we
> > > were all like "this is crap, it won't last". I can only strongly assume that the Intel engineers
> > > knew that, too, but were over-ruled by management/marketing because they wanted the GHz...
> >
> > I am curious why you thought Netburst was a really bad idea.
> > (I can understand "won't last", that is reasonable
> > for any microarchitecture.) Obviously, clock frequency at (almost) any cost is a bad idea for performance
> > (much less performance per watt), but it is not obvious to me that in 2000 a speed demon design was a
> > particularly bad idea. The optimism that frequency could scale to 10 GHz may have been unreasonable, but
> > even that might be attributed to having faith in Intel's process development genius.
> >
> > (Perhaps I am asking what particular aspects of Netburst seemed especially ill conceived.)
> >
> > Willamette seems to have suffered from die area issues as well as power issues.
> > (A smaller L2 cache with higher memory latency is not a good combination.)
>
> I'll throw my $0.02 was to why I thought Netburst was a bad design early on. I'll admit that at launch,
> the idea of sacrificing throughput for clock speed could pay off if the high clock speeds could be obtained.
> While Williamette wasn't the speed demon many where hoping for, Northwood continued to increased clock
> speeds at a good pace. Intel's gamble was paying off in late 2002 and most of 2003.

When Netburst was designed there was still a RISC workstation market, high clocks looked like the only way Intel was going to win benchmarks and take over that market.

At that time Microsoft was experimenting with porting windows to RISC boxes for when x86 ran out of gas and had to be dumped.

In hindsight the RISC market was going to die anyway, but it could have taken longer.

> The issues I saw with Netburst full materialized in 2003 that I couldn't see at launch: the impact of memory
> latency and bandwidth. By this time Northwood had reached 3 Ghz. However, the performance gains became increasingly
> marginal due to chipset bottlenecks. It also didn't help that to make Netburst mainstream, Intel had moved
> over to DDR memory instead of the more expensive RDRAM which only compounded the issue.
>
> When AMD launched the Opteron/Athlon 64 line up, it became very clear that to be able to scale, Intel
> would need an integrated memory controller to reduce memory latency. Otherwise scaling to the clock
> speeds envisioned would be worthless. Intel's roadmap did have a Netburst chip with a memory controller
> with the code name Nehalem (Intel recycled the code name for the first Core chips with an integrated
> memory controller). However, in 2003 this going to be three or four processor generations away depending
> if you counted the 65 nm shrink of Tejas as a new generation. By that time Intel was hoping to be
> beyond 7 Ghz while still using a front side bus architecture. Increasing FSB speeds was only going
> to be a temporary band aid. 2003 brought both 800 Mhz FSB (up from 533 Mhz) and Hyperthreading but
> it was a ~10% performance boost at best with all other factors being equal.
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