Northwood P4 was definitely not crap

By: Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar), November 14, 2014 10:41 am
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someone (someone.delete@this.somewhere.com) on November 14, 2014 8:20 am wrote:
> The 0.13 um Northwood P4 was a very good processor in its time and did better than
> the K7s it competed against. The K8 (Opteron) pulled ahead of Northwood but not
> because of its CPU (which was basically a 64 bit-ized K7) but because it received
> a big bonus from its integrated memory controller/direct connect memory system.
>
> The P4's after Northwood had a much longer pipeline. That combined with a number
> of bad circuit implementation choices made the 90 nm Prescott arguably a *worse*
> product than Northwood. The latter were corrected in the 65 nm follow-on but the P4's
> days were long since numbered because 1) its poor computational power efficiency
> was a poor match for the coming CMP world, and 2) Intel had a better design in hand.


Intel had a better design in hand the whole time - the same P6 core they used as the basis for the U-turn from P4 (Banias/Dothan/etc.) They were unwilling to develop it further after Pentium III because they were mesmerized by the possibility of exposing that double pumped ALU and hitting 10 GHz. Maybe they thought they could improve the branch prediction or cache latency more than they really could, and racing through amenable code at 10 GHz would make up for the long pipeline stalls.

Obviously they knew what would happen to power draw with such an insane clock rate, but every generation had drawn more power than the previous, and customers had been willing to trade that for more performance in the past. I suppose it may have seemed like a reasonable assumption that would continue, and if they needed more expensive cooling solutions to cool a 300 watt 10 GHz CPU, so be it.

So maybe my calling it "hitting the power wall" that Linus felt was off the mark wasn't the best way of describing it. Rather Intel missed that the market was about to start caring about power consumption in a big way, and the P4 was going in completely the wrong direction for that coming market trend. I'd argue the reason the market started caring more about power consumption was because for the first time there was a sizable segment of the market that didn't need more performance - they were willing to trade performance for reduced power consumption to get laptops that lasted longer on a charge and desktops with less annoying fans.

When the drive for power consumption began to hit datacenters Intel knew the P4 was toast and they'd have to not only go with the P6 core for laptops, but across their entire market. The funny thing is that despite seeing this happen across the whole PC market, they still totally missed out on the whole mobile revolution, and it was handed to ARM by default. Intel could have participated there with XScale but they were so blind to this they sold it AFTER seeing what happened with P4! They may have terrific engineers, but their business acumen has been terrible except for situations where they can "win" by using their monopoly power.
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