There he goes again on his favorite hobby horse

By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), November 16, 2014 4:17 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
someone (someone.delete@this.somewhere.com) on November 16, 2014 4:31 pm wrote:
>
> Either precisely point out a specific Itanium paper from HP or Intel that attempted to
> obfuscate issue/speculative throughput or IPC as executed/committed throughput
> or IPC

Where did I say "paper from Intel or HP"?

Just google for Itanium and IPC, and see how there's a lot of some kind of orgasmic "high IPC" mention. Really. For extra points, add a "site:realworldtech.com", just to bring it closer to home.

Just for fun, I did it, and here's a quote from the #1 hit:

"The current Itanium core is a dual threaded, 6 issue (or 2-bundle) design and already had extremely high IPC (instructions per cycle) for single threaded workloads"

and it's reading like a nerdgasm. And admit it, we used to see a lot of things like that.

After all, the main selling point of Itanium was high IPC. Hmm? It certainly wasn't frequency.

But in reality, in-order designs have IPC that is generally lower than OoO, since they can't find the same kind of dynamic parallelism.

So, pick your poison on the reason for those very common "Itanium had high IPC" statements:

(a) just cluelessness and claiming high IPC without reason

(b) low frequency

(c) the fact that explicit speculation in sw ends up inflating ipc

Btw, this is the kind of paper I'm talking about, and actually comes from Intel:

http://www.hotchips.org/wp-content/uploads/hc_archives/hc14/2_Mon/04_mccormick.pdf

So I guess we can actually add to the above pile

(d) actively useless variations of "IPC" where "C" has nothing to do with reality.

I have to admit that I didn't even have that kind of lying in mind, but it showed up in my search.

> or admit you are an arrogant sad sack of lying shit who doesn't know when
> to quit beating a dead horse.

Arrogant? Check. Beating a dead horse? Check. Lying? Judge for yourself.

Btw, since I did make that simple google search, I have to give kudos to one of the articles I found, by a certain Paul DeMone. That one had a refreshingly honest "In reality, Itanium falls well short of this, especially when running integer code".

Congrats on that, in case you are Paul.

Linus
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