Yet another form of "worse is better" ?

By: Patrick Chase (patrickjchase.delete@this.gmail.com), December 2, 2014 1:54 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Jouni Osmala (josmala.delete@this.cc.hut.fi) on December 1, 2014 11:19 pm wrote:
> > > > Yet another form of "worse is better" ?
> > >
> > > More like "idle hands do the Devil's work".
> > >
> > > IMO there are two fundamental truths at work here:
> > >
> > > 1. It is very often harder to debug and verify something than it is to design it. This has been noted
> > > by many people in many different ways (another oft-heard variation is "if you design something that as
> > > clever as you can possibly make it, then somebody smarter than you will be required to debug it").
> >
> > Ho ho ho. Too right. The first program I wrote was a short one of about thirty lines that evaluated
> > statements in propositional logic. It was a masterpiece in conciseness and I was very proud of myself.
> > However when I went to look at it a few weeks afterwards to gloat I found I couldn't figure out exactly
> > how it worked! So it was a valuable lesson to me on the importance of simplicity and clarity.
>
> My first really serious program was such that after 6 months break in coding, I spend my
> free time for a week on it and after that harddrive broke with everything I had on it and
> all I could really feel was relieved that I didn't have to see that code anymore.
>
> I didn't know any compiler theory so I invented my own way of doing compiling to
> bytecode, and interpreting bytecode. It was graphics calculator that had bytecode
> interpreter and compiled expressions to a bytecode so that I could execute those
> expression fast enough to draw graphs, since textual interpeting was too slow for the
> task. All the variables where three letter acronyms to make typing code faster.

Oh my. Seriously, we've all done it (particularly those of us who started out self-taught).

In most reasonably strong professional teams that sort of thing would be perceived as unacceptable [*] and would be self-regulated without resorting to architectural fiat or management escalation. Where you typically get into trouble and need a firm architectural hand is with the borderline stuff that's slightly more complicated than it needs to be and/or that addresses a hypothetical requirement that we or might not have at some unspecified point in the future.

There have been times where 80% of my job was to be the person accountable for saying "no" (i.e. I'd be the one answering the tough questions in the unlikely event that said hypothetical requirement actually did materialize).

[*] If you get me inebriated enough I might bring myself to relive the time that a bunch of EEs who also didn't know anything about compilers decided that a self-designed DSP was The Answer (tm). At one point I tallied up how much money they'd wasted between fixed development cost, the recurring cost of the unused chip area, and the effort we expended working around the fact that we were left with insufficient general-purpose compute horsepower. The number had 8 digits.
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