Reality is even worse

By: Konrad Schwarz (konrad.schwarz.delete@this.siemens.com), July 21, 2015 12:13 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Terry Gray (cuyahogan.delete@this.aol.com) on July 13, 2015 6:05 pm wrote:
> The average programmer out in the real world is a lousy coder who does not understand how a
> computer even works at the ISA level. Any way he can screw up he will. He does not even understand
> all of the rules and nuances of whatever high level language he is coding in.
>
> ANY thing that can be done to protect the rest of us from him is a GREAT IDEA!!!

If the programmer sticks to OS provided synchronization operations, the CPU's memory model is irrelevant -- the system libraries handle the details.
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              You don't need isel eitherPaul A. Clayton2015/07/08 04:46 AM
                You don't need isel eitherGabriele Svelto2015/07/08 05:22 AM
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