Neat die area comparison image

By: Mr. Camel (a.delete@this.b.c), October 22, 2016 7:10 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Heikki Kultala (heikki.kultala.delete@this.tut.fi) on October 22, 2016 5:19 am wrote:
> Mr. Camel (a.delete@this.b.c) on October 22, 2016 4:58 am wrote:
> > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on October 21, 2016 6:44 pm wrote:
> > > > http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2016/10/21/apples-a10-iphone-chip-smokes-the-competition-says-linley-group/
> > >
> > > How are they coming up with 11.6 mm^2 for Broadwell?
> > >
> > > If you count pixels in the public die pics, it's more
> > > like 5.35 x 1.90 = 10.165 mm^2 for the core+LLC slice,
> > > and more like 3.50 x 1.75 = 6.125 mm^2 for the core.
> > >
> > > For Skylake, it's 4.15 * 2.85 = 11.8275 mm^2 including
> > > the LLC and 3.70 x 2.20 = 8.14 mm^2 for the core, and
> > > for Kabylake it's 4.10 * 2.80 = 11.48 mm^2 and 3.65 x
> > > 2.20 = 8.03 mm^2. (Realistically... no change at all.)
> > >
> > > Trying to cut out the L2 caches from these... I do not
> > > have the patience for tonight, sorry. :)
> >
> > If the 11.6 mm^2 data point is accurate, why is Intel's Broadwell
> > core so much bigger than Apple's A10 Hurricane core?
>
> umm, he just said the 11.6 is not accurate because it contains cache?

I don't agree with that assertion because you must include it since it is integrated into the core.

If you look at the Hurricane die shot, that includes cache as well.
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Neat die area comparison imageRob2016/10/21 05:39 PM
  Neat die area comparison imageanonymou52016/10/21 06:44 PM
    Neat die area comparison imageMr. Camel2016/10/22 04:58 AM
      Neat die area comparison imageHeikki Kultala2016/10/22 05:19 AM
        Neat die area comparison imageMr. Camel2016/10/22 07:10 AM
          Neat die area comparison imageMr. Camel2016/10/22 07:15 AM
          different caches...Heikki Kultala2016/10/22 08:29 AM
            Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/10/22 08:52 AM
              Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionjuanrga2016/10/23 06:09 AM
                Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/10/23 07:25 AM
                  Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionjuanrga2016/10/25 09:57 AM
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                        Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/10/28 04:13 AM
                          Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionjuanrga2016/10/29 09:47 PM
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                              Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionjuanrga2016/10/31 04:35 AM
                                Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionSimon Farnsworth2016/10/31 04:42 AM
                                Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/11/01 12:56 PM
                                  Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionMaynard Handley2016/11/01 01:37 PM
                                    Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/11/01 04:22 PM
                                      Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionMaynard Handley2016/11/01 07:30 PM
                                        Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/11/02 06:15 AM
                                          Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionMaynard Handley2016/11/02 09:23 AM
                                            Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/11/02 11:50 AM
                                  Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionSimon Farnsworth2016/11/02 02:48 AM
                        Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionSimon Farnsworth2016/10/28 06:19 AM
                          Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionjuanrga2016/10/29 10:15 PM
                            Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionSimon Farnsworth2016/10/30 12:31 PM
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                                              8 wide vs 6 wideanon2016/11/04 06:12 AM
                                                8 wide vs 6 wideWilco2016/11/04 01:12 PM
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                                                    8 wide vs 6 widejuanrga2016/11/04 05:34 PM
                                                      8 wide vs 6 wideanon2016/11/05 02:14 AM
                                                  8 wide vs 6 widejuanrga2016/11/04 05:39 PM
                                                    8 wide vs 6 wideWilco2016/11/06 05:15 AM
                                                      8 wide vs 6 widejuanrga2016/11/06 05:06 PM
                                                        8 wide vs 6 wideWilco2016/11/07 03:45 AM
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                                                                8 wide vs 6 wideWilco2016/11/21 05:54 PM
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                                                                    8 wide vs 6 wideWilco2016/11/22 03:25 PM
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                              Skylake can retire 8 uopsDavid Kanter2016/10/31 12:41 AM
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                    Broadwell includes LLC, just for comparisionanon2016/10/26 03:10 AM
                      Pushing the hidden agendajuanrga2016/10/28 03:11 AM
                        Pushing the hidden agendaanon2016/10/28 04:35 AM
      Neat die area comparison imageDavid Hess2016/10/22 01:26 PM
        Neat die area comparison imageanon22016/10/22 05:20 PM
          Neat die area comparison imageDavid Hess2016/10/22 10:31 PM
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        Neat die area comparison imageTravis2016/10/24 01:26 PM
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              Neat die area comparison imageTravis2016/10/25 10:22 PM
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