By: Simon Farnsworth (simon.delete@this.farnz.org.uk), January 28, 2017 8:06 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Per Hesselgren (perhesselgren.delete@this.yahoo.se) on January 28, 2017 6:49 am wrote:
> Mark Roulo (nothanks.delete@this.xxx.com) on January 27, 2017 9:02 am wrote:
> > David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com) on January 27, 2017 6:46 am wrote:
> > > The cache hierarchy is another example. The L2 caches in the latest z13 are simply massive.
> > > The L2I and L2D are each 2MB and implemented in eDRAM for the arrays. The POWER8 has
> > > a smaller L2, but has an L3 where the local portion is fairly large (8MB).
> >
> > Any yet ... Intel has eDRAM (Crystalwell), but doesn't ship
> > server chips with large L4 caches made up of eDRAM.
> >
> > I'm assuming that they don't think there will be much of a performance advantage
> > for server loads, but IBM does ship with much more on-package memory.
> >
> > Maybe because the eDRAM in Crystalwell is so wide?
> >
> > But we don't see MCDRAM (like on Knights Landing) as an option for Intel server chips, either ...
> >
> > Odd.
>
> You can see eDRAM here:
> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1538?vs=1554
>
> The effect on WinRar is clear
That's especially impressive since the Xeon is Broadwell, not Skylake, 35W instead of 65W, and 2.3 GHz base 3.3 GHz turbo instead of 3.4 GHz base, 4 GHz turbo.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1538?vs=1824 is a fairer comparison (the i7 is still Skylake, but now 45W instead of 65W, and with only a 500 MHz clock speed lead instead of a 1.1 GHz lead). There's also http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1540?vs=1543 (91W i7 versus 95W Xeon), if you want a thermally fair benchmark (although still an architectural lead for the i7, and higher clocks on the i7).
> Mark Roulo (nothanks.delete@this.xxx.com) on January 27, 2017 9:02 am wrote:
> > David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com) on January 27, 2017 6:46 am wrote:
> > > The cache hierarchy is another example. The L2 caches in the latest z13 are simply massive.
> > > The L2I and L2D are each 2MB and implemented in eDRAM for the arrays. The POWER8 has
> > > a smaller L2, but has an L3 where the local portion is fairly large (8MB).
> >
> > Any yet ... Intel has eDRAM (Crystalwell), but doesn't ship
> > server chips with large L4 caches made up of eDRAM.
> >
> > I'm assuming that they don't think there will be much of a performance advantage
> > for server loads, but IBM does ship with much more on-package memory.
> >
> > Maybe because the eDRAM in Crystalwell is so wide?
> >
> > But we don't see MCDRAM (like on Knights Landing) as an option for Intel server chips, either ...
> >
> > Odd.
>
> You can see eDRAM here:
> http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1538?vs=1554
>
> The effect on WinRar is clear
That's especially impressive since the Xeon is Broadwell, not Skylake, 35W instead of 65W, and 2.3 GHz base 3.3 GHz turbo instead of 3.4 GHz base, 4 GHz turbo.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1538?vs=1824 is a fairer comparison (the i7 is still Skylake, but now 45W instead of 65W, and with only a 500 MHz clock speed lead instead of a 1.1 GHz lead). There's also http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1540?vs=1543 (91W i7 versus 95W Xeon), if you want a thermally fair benchmark (although still an architectural lead for the i7, and higher clocks on the i7).