Glew quote about amount of OoO

By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), April 26, 2017 1:26 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
anon (spam.delete.delete@this.this.spam.com) on April 26, 2017 11:56 am wrote:
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> No one said it was easy to come up with something better.
> That doesn't make OoO any cheaper.

Bah. You keep repeating that mantra, but until you give any alternatives, you're just making meaningless noises.

Pointing to some Denver example is not a valid point, since

(a) the last variation of Denver that we actually know something about actually proved my point: in-order doesn't work well in the general case, and loses out to OoO.

(b) the new version we don't actually know anything about. For all we know, it might be OoO.

I would seriously have expected people to have learnt that (b) lesson from the first version of Denver. But maybe the JIT side might allow for taking some shortcuts in the OoO implemntation, and you could limit OoO some way and make it cheaper?

> Right now it's the only thing that anyone got to work reliably for high performance.

More importantly, it's something that a lot of people have ranted against, and tried to claim is bad, and every single time those nay-sayers have been full of shit.

At some point you should ask yourself if it's a good idea to rant against hugely successful things. There's a real fundamental reason why wheels are round, for example. People can rant against how boring and functional round wheels are all they like, and point to how they are horribly space-inefficient because they only go in one direction and you can't roll sideways.

And yes, in special cases magical things like mecanum wheels make sense - but that doesn't invalidate the fundamental reasons why round wheels are generally the right answer, and those cool sideways-moving wheels didn't invalidate round wheels in the future either.

You say that OoO is expensive. And I say "show me something better".

It's fundamentally stupid to complain about expense, when you have no alternatives that work better. Get it? For all we know, OoO is fundamentally the cheapest way to get performance from a traditional CPU model - the same way a round wheel is fundamentally the cheapest way to move things forward on reasonably flat surfaces.

> That doesn't mean it's the only possible way.
>
> See Denver, it's certainly worth trying.

Trying is fine.

Talking smack about what works and so far has shown itself superior to all the other things people tried - that's just stupid.

Show me the money. Don't just complain about OoO. Until you show something better, OoO is the only practical solution.

Give it the respect it deserves for being such a great solution.

And when lots and lots of people have tried to improve on it, and have all utterly failed (and yes, they really have failed spectacularly so far), I really think you should show some scepticism towards new untried alternatives. So far OoO has a very very good track record, going back many decades.

Other approaches have worked well for targeted benchmarks. Sometimes those targeted benchmarks are even relevant to some niche market. But they've had huge - and generally insurmountable - stumbling blocks in the generic case.

Almost every time when you have some core technology like OoO that has been very successful for decades, you end up not throwing it out entirely. You improve on it with some clever new thing. Using the basic OoO infrastructure and then implementing SMT using it is such a clever improvement in a totally different area.

It's very rare that you can make some radical shift that entirely throws out decades of good engineering. People still build bridges as arches, even if we don't use stone blocks to build those bridges with any more!

And when it does happen, the onus should be on the radical idea to prove itself, not the decades-old working solution that has been hugely successful. Being new and different might be interesting, but it's interesting because of the new details, not because it's "not the old thing".

And you haven't shown any such interesting new details.

So instead of trash-talking OoO, try to show how and why some alternative XYZ is better. And no hypotheticals with no actual details that nobody even knows what they are (ie "mumble mumble Denver mumble mumble").

I honestly do not believe you can get rid of OoO in any GP CPU. There just aren't tricks that solve the things OoO solves. The tricks would basically end up being the same thing.

But I do believe that it's very likely that you can find a trick which then allows you to reduce some pain-point of OoO. Not get rid of OoO, but alleviate the issues you have with it.

For example, IBM did that with the instruction bundling that has already been talked about in this thread. It wasn't great, and it didn't replace OoO, but it did mean that some of the expensive structures effectively scaled to larger instruction windows in ways that they otherwise wouldn't have.

And I can easily believe that approaches such as run-ahead could actually work in similar ways. But trying to say "OoO is bad, let's replace it" is likely the wrong approach for the reasons outlined above.

Maybe instead aim for "OoO has nasty scaling issues, let's use it for the simple cases where it scales well, and then rather than aim to have thousand-instruction OoO windows, use the existing OoO machinery to also do speculative run-ahead to get better MLP for cheaper".

Because almost all good engineering uses old successful technologies and extends on them.

Linus
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                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOdmcq2017/04/28 03:19 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/28 06:37 AM
                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/28 07:26 AM
                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOBrett2017/04/28 09:17 AM
                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/28 10:58 AM
                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/28 12:27 PM
                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/28 06:39 PM
                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOJukka Larja2017/04/28 08:03 PM
                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOrwessel2017/04/28 09:10 PM
                                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOJukka Larja2017/04/29 03:30 AM
                                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOgallier22017/05/08 12:49 AM
                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/28 09:14 PM
                                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOJukka Larja2017/04/29 03:27 AM
                                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/29 09:03 AM
                                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/29 05:57 PM
                                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/29 08:28 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/30 07:46 AM
                                                                                                                                                    Methods for exchange of data Ireland2017/04/30 07:59 AM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/27 07:40 PM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/04/28 12:58 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/28 06:38 AM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus Torvalds2017/04/28 09:12 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOdmcq2017/04/28 10:31 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/04/28 04:16 PM
                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOdmcq2017/04/29 07:30 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/28 06:29 PM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOSeni2017/04/29 04:36 AM
                                                                                                                                  Critical misunderstandings@2017/04/29 08:42 AM
                                                                                                                                    Critical misunderstandingsMegol2017/04/29 01:18 PM
                                                                                                                                      Critical misunderstandingsExophase2017/04/29 08:22 PM
                                                                                                                                        Critical misunderstandingsMaynard Handley2017/04/29 09:01 PM
                                                                                                                                      Critical misunderstandings@2017/04/30 05:03 AM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/04/28 12:46 AM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/28 01:40 AM
                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/27 02:39 PM
                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/27 03:10 PM
                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/27 03:57 PM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/27 04:00 PM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/28 01:06 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/28 04:42 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/28 09:15 AM
                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/28 05:05 PM
                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/04/27 03:56 PM
                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/27 04:57 PM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOEtienne2017/04/28 12:56 AM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/04/28 02:24 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/28 02:40 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOEtienne2017/04/28 04:29 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/04/29 01:12 PM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/04/28 04:57 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/04/28 01:25 PM
                                                                                                                                    Moar cores and A53Heikki kultala2017/04/29 10:03 AM
                                                                                                                                Bad comparison points of A53 and A72.Heikki kultala2017/04/29 10:01 AM
                                                                                                                                  Bad comparison points of A53 and A72.juanrga2017/04/30 04:02 AM
                                                                                                                                    Bad comparison points of A53 and A72.anon22017/04/30 04:31 AM
                                                                                                                                      Did AAPL ever confirmed that Zephyr is OoO ? (NT)Michael S2017/04/30 06:26 AM
                                                                                                                                        Did AAPL ever confirmed that Zephyr is OoO ?Maynard Handley2017/04/30 09:08 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOHeikki kultala2017/04/29 10:17 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/29 11:51 AM
                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/04/30 11:28 AM
                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoODavid Hess2017/04/30 12:14 PM
                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/05/01 03:42 AM
                                                                                                                                         anon22017/05/01 04:59 AM
                                                                                                                                          Posted without topic (was Glew quote about amount of OoO)anon22017/05/01 05:01 AM
                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoODavid Hess2017/05/01 08:36 AM
                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOHeikki kultala2017/05/01 07:27 PM
                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOWilco2017/05/02 12:29 AM
                                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon22017/05/02 12:57 AM
                                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael_S2017/05/02 05:24 AM
                                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/05/02 10:07 AM
                                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael S2017/05/02 10:32 AM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/05/02 10:53 AM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael S2017/05/02 11:05 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOdmcq2017/05/04 07:04 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/05/04 10:00 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOAdrian2017/05/04 09:50 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/05/04 10:04 AM
                                                                                                                                                        You're not alone!iz2017/05/04 01:05 PM
                                                                                                                                                          You're not alone!GTR2017/05/09 02:21 PM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/05/02 11:52 AM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoODoug S2017/05/02 02:13 PM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/05/02 04:08 PM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOslacker2017/05/02 10:06 PM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOBrett2017/05/02 11:14 PM
                                                                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOanonymouse2017/05/05 05:02 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/05/02 11:24 PM
                                                                                                                                                          Rigorous dataslacker2017/05/03 01:03 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOSymmetry2017/05/03 04:38 AM
                                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOslacker2017/05/02 05:00 PM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/05/02 06:08 PM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOslacker2017/05/02 10:20 PM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOSymmetry2017/05/03 04:53 AM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/05/04 11:42 PM
                                                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOjuanrga2017/05/03 01:32 AM
                                                                                                                                                    Latency versus Efficiency Ireland2017/05/03 02:44 AM
                                                                                                                                                      Latency versus Efficiency Ireland2017/05/03 02:49 AM
                                                                                                                                                      Latency versus Efficiency juanrga2017/05/06 02:57 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Latency versus Efficiency Linus B Torvalds2017/05/06 09:55 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Latency versus Efficiency Ireland2017/05/06 10:37 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Efficiency != Throughput (NT)juanrga2017/05/07 03:03 AM
                                                                                                                                                            Efficiency != ThroughputLinus B Torvalds2017/05/07 08:18 AM
                                                                                                                                                              Efficiency != ThroughputAdrian2017/05/07 10:10 AM
                                                                                                                                                                Efficiency != Throughputanon2017/05/07 04:04 PM
                                                                                                                                                                  Efficiency != ThroughputJacob Marley2017/05/07 05:48 PM
                                                                                                                                                                  Efficiency != ThroughputAnne O. Nymous2017/05/08 02:25 AM
                                                                                                                                                                    Crocodiliaslacker2017/05/08 02:39 AM
                                                                                                                                                                      Crocodiliaanon2017/05/08 02:59 AM
                                                                                                                                                                  Efficiency != ThroughputLinus B Torvalds2017/05/08 10:17 AM
                                                                                                                                                                    Efficiency != ThroughputIreland2017/05/08 12:44 PM
                                                                                                                                                                    Efficiency != ThroughputDomaldel2017/05/08 10:30 PM
                                                                                                                                                              Efficiency != ThroughputIreland2017/05/07 11:28 AM
                                                                                                                                                                Efficiency != ThroughputDomaldel2017/05/08 10:35 PM
                                                                                                                                                              Efficiency != ThroughputDomaldel2017/05/08 10:19 PM
                                                                                                                                                                Efficiency != ThroughputLinus B Torvalds2017/05/09 08:47 AM
                                                                                                                                                                  Efficiency != ThroughputIreland2017/05/09 11:22 AM
                                                                                                                                                                  analogyMichael S2017/05/10 04:05 AM
                                                                                                                                                                    analogyIreland2017/05/10 05:25 AM
                                                                                                                                                              It is not "high-performance vs low-performance"juanrga2017/05/09 02:37 AM
                                                                                                                                                                It is not "high-performance vs low-performance"anon2017/05/09 04:51 PM
                                                                                                                                                                  It is not "high-performance vs low-performance"juanrga2017/05/12 05:57 PM
                                                                                                                                                                It is not "high-performance vs low-performance"Anon2017/05/10 06:25 AM
                                                                                                                                                                It IS "high-performance vs low-performance"Heikki Kultala2017/05/10 08:20 PM
                                                                                                                                                        Latency versus Efficiency Symmetry2017/05/08 05:40 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Latency versus Efficiency Gabriele Svelto2017/05/08 07:56 AM
                                                                                                                                                          Latency versus Efficiency juanrga2017/05/09 01:29 AM
                                                                                                                                                            Latency versus Efficiency GTR2017/05/09 02:17 PM
                                                                                                                                                              Latency versus Efficiency anon2017/05/09 02:46 PM
                                                                                                                                                              Latency versus Efficiency Maynard Handley2017/05/09 04:15 PM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOanonymouse2017/05/05 03:17 PM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOjuanrga2017/05/06 02:57 AM
                                                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOEtienne2017/05/08 12:57 AM
                                                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/05/08 05:21 AM
                                                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOGTR2017/05/09 02:09 PM
                                                                                                                                            your 3x is total bullshitHeikki kultala2017/05/02 12:30 PM
                                                                                                                                              your 3x is total bullshitWilco2017/05/02 01:58 PM
                                                                                                                                                your 3x is total bullshitMichael S2017/05/02 02:58 PM
                                                                                                                                                  your 3x is total bullshitWilco2017/05/03 02:13 AM
                                                                                                                                                    your 3x is total bullshitMichael S2017/05/03 03:43 AM
                                                                                                                                                    your 3x is total bullshitMichael S2017/05/03 05:15 AM
                                                                                                                                                      your 3x is total bullshitWilco2017/05/03 01:31 PM
                                                                                                                                                        your 3x is total bullshitMichael S2017/05/04 06:56 AM
                                                                                                                                                          your 3x is total bullshitLinus B Torvalds2017/05/04 09:46 AM
                                                                                                                                                your 3x is total bullshitMaynard Handley2017/05/02 04:19 PM
                                                                                                                                                your 3x is total bullshitHeikki kultala2017/05/02 09:57 PM
                                                                                                                                                your 3x is total bullshitGabriele Svelto2017/05/05 05:32 AM
                                                                                                                                                  your 3x is total bullshitjuanrga2017/05/06 02:45 AM
                                                                                                                                                    your 3x is total bullshitGabriele Svelto2017/05/08 05:12 AM
                                                                                                                                            Or, alternatively, your 65% is bullshit.Heikki kultala2017/05/02 12:37 PM
                                                                                                                                              Or, alternatively, your 65% is bullshit.Wilco2017/05/02 02:39 PM
                                                                                                                                            Going from 2-wide in-order to 2-wide OoOE benchmarks..Heikki kultala2017/05/02 12:42 PM
                                                                                                                                              Going from 2-wide in-order to 2-wide OoOE benchmarks..Megol2017/05/13 12:26 PM
                                                                                                                                                Going from 2-wide in-order to 2-wide OoOE benchmarks..Michael S2017/05/13 01:14 PM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael S2017/04/28 04:12 AM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/04/28 04:25 AM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus Torvalds2017/04/28 08:47 AM
                                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOEtienne2017/05/02 07:36 AM
                                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/28 01:02 AM
                                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/28 06:54 PM
                                                                                                                              3-wide in-orderMichael S2017/05/02 02:51 AM
                                                                                                                                3-wide in-orderwumpus2017/05/03 06:24 AM
                                                                                                                                  Merced is actually 6-way core (NT)Michael S2017/05/03 10:35 AM
                                                                                                                                    only on a really good daysomeone2017/05/04 07:11 AM
                                                                                                                            It's the memory! stupid.gallier22017/04/28 07:56 AM
                                                                                                                              Merced is actually 6-way core (NT)Michael S2017/05/03 06:47 AM
                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOMr. Camel2017/04/28 12:55 PM
                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/04/28 02:00 PM
                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/04/29 12:58 PM
                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/29 01:38 PM
                                                                                                                    P4 part is complete bullshit (NT)Michael S2017/04/29 02:04 PM
                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOMr. Camel2017/04/29 02:22 PM
                                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOLinus B Torvalds2017/04/29 02:46 PM
                                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/29 03:06 PM
                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOAnil Maliyekkel2017/04/29 04:04 PM
                                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOGabriele Svelto2017/04/30 05:59 AM
                                                                                                                    License-optimized core designsGTR2017/05/09 01:18 PM
                                                                                                                      License-optimized core designsSimon Farnsworth2017/05/10 01:33 AM
                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOanon.12017/04/26 10:15 PM
                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/27 12:14 AM
                                                                                                          Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixMichael S2017/04/27 01:02 AM
                                                                                                            Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixMichael S2017/04/27 01:04 AM
                                                                                                              Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixanon2017/04/27 01:49 AM
                                                                                                                Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixMichael S2017/04/27 03:41 AM
                                                                                                                  Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixanon2017/04/27 04:15 AM
                                                                                                                    Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixMichael S2017/04/27 05:10 AM
                                                                                                                      Jetson TX2 Linux Benchmarks on phoronixanon2017/04/27 06:02 AM
                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/27 06:48 AM
                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/27 08:49 AM
                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon.12017/04/27 09:47 PM
                                                                                                              Glew quote about amount of OoOwumpus2017/04/28 06:49 AM
                                                                                                                Glew quote about amount of OoOHeikki kultala2017/04/30 12:13 AM
                                                                                                                  Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/30 02:27 AM
                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOanon.12017/04/27 07:16 AM
                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOanon2017/04/27 08:44 AM
                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOSymmetry2017/04/27 09:48 AM
                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/26 03:55 PM
                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/26 04:16 PM
                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/26 04:41 PM
                                                                                                    Glew quote about amount of OoOjuanrga2017/04/28 04:22 AM
                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoOHeikki kultala2017/04/29 08:14 AM
                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOjuanrga2017/04/30 03:44 AM
                                                                                                      Glew quote about amount of OoODavid Hess2017/04/30 12:28 PM
                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/30 03:15 PM
                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/04/30 03:31 PM
                                                                                                        Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael S2017/04/30 03:50 PM
                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOIreland2017/05/01 09:21 AM
                                                                                                          Glew quote about amount of OoOMaynard Handley2017/05/01 12:54 PM
                                                                                                            Glew quote about amount of OoOMichael S2017/05/01 01:15 PM
                                                                                        Mill is optimized for frequent callsHenry S2017/04/21 01:27 AM
                                                                                          spillerRichardC2017/04/21 06:53 AM
                                                                                            spiller documentationRichardC2017/04/21 07:04 AM
                                                                                            spillerSymmetry2017/04/21 07:47 AM
                                                                                              spillerSymmetry2017/04/21 07:51 AM
                                                                                        Mill made more sense in 2003wumpus2017/04/21 06:59 AM
                                                                                  Mill made more sense in 2003wumpus2017/04/20 06:58 AM
                                                                              Mill made more sense in 2003anon2017/04/18 07:02 PM
                                                                          virtual method callsRichardC2017/04/19 07:50 AM
                                                                fractional bitsrwessel2017/04/17 01:14 AM
                                                                  fractional bitsMichael S2017/04/17 11:50 AM
                                                                    fractional bitsEugene Nalimov2017/04/17 07:25 PM
                                                              fractional bitsMegol2017/04/16 02:05 PM
                                                                fractional bitsdmcq2017/04/17 02:04 AM
                                                                  fractional bitsGabriele Svelto2017/04/17 09:09 AM
                                                                    fractional bitsMaynard Handley2017/04/17 10:53 AM
                                                                      fractional bitsanon2017/04/17 01:29 PM
                                                                      fractional bitsanon.12017/04/23 01:44 PM
                                                                        fractional bitsMaynard Handley2017/04/23 02:19 PM
                                                                          fractional bitsanon.12017/04/23 10:09 PM
                                                                            fractional bitsMaynard Handley2017/04/24 12:07 AM
                                                                Excellent exampleHenry S2017/04/21 01:02 PM
                                                                  Excellent exampleanon.12017/04/23 12:50 PM
                                                                    I don't think that's the issueHenry S2017/04/25 09:22 AM
                                                                      I don't think that's the issueanon.12017/04/25 07:45 PM
                                                                        I don't think that's the issueMaynard Handley2017/04/25 09:59 PM
                                                                          I don't think that's the issueanon.12017/04/26 09:47 PM
                                                                            I don't think that's the issueMaynard Handley2017/04/27 09:59 AM
                                                                              I don't think that's the issueanon.12017/04/27 09:32 PM
                                                                                I don't think that's the issueMaynard Handley2017/04/27 10:24 PM
                                                                                  I don't think that's the issueanon.12017/04/28 06:51 AM
                                                                                    I don't think that's the issueanon.12017/04/28 07:20 AM
                                                                                Hierarchical and distributedPaul A. Clayton2017/04/30 05:54 PM
                                                                                  Hierarchical and distributedanon.12017/05/01 09:25 AM
                                                                                    Hierarchical and distributedMaynard Handley2017/05/01 01:07 PM
                                                              fractional bitsanon2017/04/16 04:31 PM
                                                                OoO instruction windowPaul A. Clayton2017/04/17 05:43 PM
                                                                  OoO instruction windowanon2017/04/17 06:57 PM
                                                                    OoO instruction windowMaynard Handley2017/04/17 09:16 PM
                                                                      OoO instruction windowanon2017/04/18 01:51 AM
                                                                        OoO instruction windowwumpus2017/04/19 06:16 AM
                                                                    Initiating post-return loads earlyPaul A. Clayton2017/04/18 07:39 AM
                                                                      Initiating post-return loads earlyanon2017/04/18 05:28 PM
                                                                        Software assisted prefetchingPaul A. Clayton2017/04/18 07:13 PM
                                                                          Software assisted prefetchingMaynard Handley2017/04/18 09:04 PM
                                                                            Software assisted prefetchingMichael S2017/04/19 12:49 AM
                                                              fractional bitsUngo2017/04/17 07:03 PM
                                                            fractional bitsMegol2017/04/16 01:33 PM
                                                              fractional bitsRichardC2017/04/16 01:43 PM
                                                          fractional bitsBrett2017/04/15 11:48 AM
                                                            RISC warsMichael S2017/04/15 12:04 PM
                                                              RISC warsBrett2017/04/15 03:18 PM
                                                                RISC warsdmcq2017/04/16 03:36 AM
                                                                  RISC warsBrett2017/04/16 02:02 PM
                                                                    RISC warsMaynard Handley2017/04/16 04:48 PM
                                                                      RISC warsBrett2017/04/16 06:56 PM
                                                                        RISC warsMaynard Handley2017/04/16 08:45 PM
                                                                          RISC warsBrett2017/04/17 12:51 AM
                                                                      RISC warsSimon Farnsworth2017/04/17 04:51 AM
                                                                        RISC warsdmcq2017/04/17 05:24 AM
                                                                          RISC warsBrett2017/04/22 01:36 PM
                                                                            RISC warsMaynard Handley2017/04/22 02:14 PM
                                                                              RISC warsBrett2017/04/22 04:54 PM
                                                                                RISC warsMaynard Handley2017/04/22 08:17 PM
                                                                                  POWER8 - frequency, rename widthMichael S2017/04/23 12:47 AM
                                                                                    POWER8 - frequency, rename widthdmcq2017/04/23 09:01 AM
                                                                                    POWER8 - frequency, rename widthrwessel2017/04/23 09:10 AM
                                                                                      POWER8 - frequency, rename widthMaynard Handley2017/04/23 10:11 AM
                                                                                      POWER8 - frequency, rename widthTravis2017/04/23 02:31 PM
                                                                                    POWER8 - frequency, rename widthMaynard Handley2017/04/23 09:25 AM
                                                                                      POWER8 - frequency, rename widthMaynard Handley2017/04/23 10:30 AM
                                                                                        POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/23 11:47 AM
                                                                                          POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2Travis2017/04/23 02:42 PM
                                                                                            exactly (NT)Michael S2017/04/23 03:33 PM
                                                                                            POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/23 03:44 PM
                                                                                              Alpha 21264 (duplicated GPRs) was utter insane?! (I think not) (NT)Paul A. Clayton2017/04/23 05:58 PM
                                                                                                done for different reasonsanon2017/04/24 12:00 AM
                                                                                                  Additive clustering/replication advantages?Paul A. Clayton2017/04/24 08:34 AM
                                                                                                    Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/25 04:43 PM
                                                                                                      Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/26 04:17 AM
                                                                                                        Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/26 05:13 AM
                                                                                                          Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/26 05:00 PM
                                                                                                            Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/27 03:08 AM
                                                                                                              Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/27 04:57 AM
                                                                                                                Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/27 07:05 AM
                                                                                                                  Additive clustering/replication advantages?Michael S2017/04/27 07:09 AM
                                                                                                                    Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/27 08:21 AM
                                                                                                                  Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/27 09:07 AM
                                                                                                                    Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/27 10:54 AM
                                                                                                                      Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/27 12:05 PM
                                                                                                                        Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/27 01:52 PM
                                                                                                                          Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/27 02:28 PM
                                                                                                                            Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon2017/04/28 04:14 AM
                                                                                                                              Additive clustering/replication advantages?anon22017/04/29 06:23 PM
                                                                                              POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/23 09:12 PM
                                                                                                POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/24 12:04 AM
                                                                                                  POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/24 01:26 AM
                                                                                                    schizoMichael S2017/04/24 02:02 AM
                                                                                                      no (NT)anon2017/04/24 02:10 AM
                                                                                                POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2Brett2017/04/24 08:55 PM
                                                                                                  POWER8 is 2x(3+1), not 6+2anon2017/04/24 11:49 PM
                                                                                    incorrect POWER6 infoThu Nguyen2017/04/24 10:39 PM
                                                                                      incorrect POWER6 infoMichael S2017/04/24 11:59 PM
                                                                                  RISC warsBrett2017/04/23 03:35 PM
                                                                                    RISC warsBrett2017/04/24 12:25 AM
                                                                                      RISC warsBrett2017/04/24 09:33 PM
                                                                                  RISC warsanon2017/04/23 05:51 PM
                                                                                  Instruction Grouping is gone with POWER9Mark Roulo2017/04/24 03:39 PM
                                                                                RISC warsMichael S2017/04/23 01:25 AM
                                                                                RISC warsdmcq2017/04/25 08:06 AM
                                                                    RISC warsdmcq2017/04/17 01:55 AM
                                                            Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/23 06:52 PM
                                                              Chains of single opcodes are stupidwumpus2017/04/25 06:48 AM
                                                                Chains of single opcodes are stupidHeikki kultala2017/04/26 12:42 AM
                                                                  Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/05/05 11:36 PM
                                                                    Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/05/06 11:29 PM
                                                                      What 24-bit branches are you talking about?Heikki Kultala2017/05/07 08:44 PM
                                                                        What 24-bit branches are you talking about?Brett2017/05/08 01:48 AM
                                                                          What 24-bit branches are you talking about?anon2017/05/08 10:24 AM
                                                                            What 24-bit branches are you talking about?Brett2017/05/09 10:33 PM
                                                                              What 24-bit branches are you talking about?anon2017/05/10 03:30 AM
                                                                                Branches and OS calls ...Mark Roulo2017/05/10 03:12 PM
                                                                                  Branches and OS calls ...Brett2017/05/10 07:40 PM
                                                                    Code densityHeikki Kultala2017/05/07 08:03 PM
                                                                      Code densityBrett2017/05/08 01:52 AM
                                                                Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/27 12:02 AM
                                                                  Chains of single opcodes are stupidwumpus2017/04/27 07:06 AM
                                                                    Chains of single opcodes are stupidanon2017/04/27 08:33 AM
                                                                    Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/27 10:57 AM
                                                                      Chains of single opcodes are stupidAdrian2017/04/27 11:21 AM
                                                                        Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/28 10:47 PM
                                                                          You sound like a fool (NT)anon22017/04/29 12:12 AM
                                                                            You sound like a foolBrett2017/04/29 01:20 AM
                                                                              You sound like a foolanon22017/04/29 03:03 AM
                                                                                You sound like a foolBrett2017/04/29 11:24 PM
                                                                                  You sound like a foolMichael S2017/04/30 12:36 AM
                                                                                    You sound like a foolBrett2017/04/30 02:56 PM
                                                                                      You sound like a foolMichael S2017/04/30 04:14 PM
                                                                                        You sound like a foolBrett2017/04/30 05:03 PM
                                                                                          Laptop CPUsanon22017/04/30 06:10 PM
                                                                          Chains of single opcodes are stupidAdrian2017/04/29 04:38 AM
                                                                      Chains of single opcodes are stupidanon2017/04/27 11:34 AM
                                                                        Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/27 11:35 PM
                                                                          8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessHeikki Kultala2017/04/28 05:45 AM
                                                                            8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessMichael S2017/04/28 06:10 AM
                                                                              8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessBrett2017/04/28 08:57 AM
                                                                                8088, 8086 and 16- and 20-bitnessHeikki kultala2017/04/28 10:56 AM
                                                                                  doubling momory capasity every 2 years I mean (NT)Heikki kultala2017/04/28 10:57 AM
                                                                                  8088, 8086 and 16- and 20-bitnessBrett2017/04/28 07:46 PM
                                                                                    8088, 8086 and 16- and 20-bitnessYuhong Bao2017/04/28 10:17 PM
                                                                                8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessrwessel2017/04/28 12:21 PM
                                                                              8088, 8086 and 16-bitnesswumpus2017/04/28 07:10 PM
                                                                                8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessanon22017/04/29 12:02 AM
                                                                                8088, 8086 and 16-bitnessSeni2017/04/29 04:59 AM
                                                                          Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/05/05 10:56 PM
                                                                            Chains of single opcodes are stupidwumpus2017/05/06 05:39 PM
                                                                    Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/28 10:32 PM
                                                                      patents, alpha etc.Heikki kultala2017/04/29 08:07 AM
                                                                        patents, alpha etc.wumpus2017/04/29 10:23 AM
                                                                          patents, alpha etc.Megol2017/05/10 07:27 AM
                                                                            patents, alpha etc.rwessel2017/05/10 11:09 AM
                                                                              patents, alpha etc.David Hess2017/05/10 06:18 PM
                                                                              patents, alpha etc.Heikki Kultala2017/05/10 10:59 PM
                                                                                patents, alpha etc.anonny mouse2017/05/11 12:30 AM
                                                                                  patents, alpha etc.Megol2017/05/11 04:49 AM
                                                                                    pipelining/OoOE and indirect addressing problemHeikki Kultala2017/05/11 06:42 AM
                                                                                      pipelining/OoOE and indirect addressing problemTEMLIB2017/05/11 11:18 AM
                                                                                    patents, alpha etc.rwessel2017/05/11 02:28 PM
                                                                                      patents, alpha etc.gallier22017/05/12 12:32 AM
                                                                            patents, alpha etc.TEMLIB2017/05/11 11:22 AM
                                                                              patents, alpha etc.Linus B Torvalds2017/05/12 08:25 AM
                                                                Chains of single opcodes are stupidBrett2017/04/29 11:49 PM
                                                                  programming language of the futureCarlie Coats2017/05/11 05:58 AM
                                                    Fractional bits for instruction encodingdmcq2017/04/13 05:35 AM
                                                      Sounds like a FP counter with random rounding (NT)Paul A. Clayton2017/04/13 06:08 PM
                                                        Sounds like a FP counter with random roundingdmcq2017/04/14 11:35 AM
                                          RISC *was* science, not religionMegol2017/04/12 02:13 PM
                                            Mill load buffer and spillPaul A. Clayton2017/04/12 06:02 PM
                              RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/09 02:51 AM
                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/09 07:30 AM
                  ARM vs RISC religionHeikki Kultala2017/04/04 06:58 AM
                    religious vs atheist or SF Bay Area vs Rest of the World (NT)Michael S2017/04/04 07:25 AM
                    ARM vs RISC religionRichardC2017/04/04 07:44 AM
                      ARM vs RISC religionEtienne2017/04/04 08:22 AM
                        ARM vs RISC religionRichardC2017/04/04 08:39 AM
                          ARM vs RISC religionExophase2017/04/04 06:54 PM
                            that's a neat trick! (NT)RichardC2017/04/04 07:34 PM
                    ARM vs RISC religiondmcq2017/04/04 08:37 AM
                    ARM vs RISC religionwumpus2017/04/05 06:14 AM
                  RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 08:14 AM
                    RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 02:12 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 02:14 PM
                  RISC *was* science, not religionLinus Torvalds2017/04/04 10:10 AM
                    RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/04 10:24 AM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionExophase2017/04/04 09:05 PM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/05 12:58 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionExophase2017/04/05 10:07 AM
                            RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/05 02:38 PM
                          Load delay slot new value after cache missPaul A. Clayton2017/04/06 09:29 AM
                            Load delay slot new value after cache missExophase2017/04/06 02:05 PM
                      unspcified behaviour load delay slot pessimalityHeikki Kultala2017/04/04 10:14 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionSimon Farnsworth2017/04/06 04:18 AM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/06 08:54 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionSimon Farnsworth2017/04/06 10:51 AM
                        RISC *was* science, not religiondmcq2017/04/06 02:55 PM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionEtienne2017/04/07 03:36 AM
                    RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/04 10:58 AM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 02:20 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 02:40 PM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionbakaneko2017/04/04 11:52 PM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/05 12:04 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religiongallier22017/04/05 04:06 AM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/05 08:14 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionSimon Farnsworth2017/04/05 10:01 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionSeni2017/04/05 11:26 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionDavid Hess2017/04/05 10:36 PM
                            RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/06 11:32 AM
                              RISC *was* science, not religionExophase2017/04/06 02:07 PM
                                RISC *was* science, not religionLinus Torvalds2017/04/06 02:27 PM
                                  Intel x86 registers to the rescue!Mark Roulo2017/04/06 02:45 PM
                                    Intel x86 registers to the rescue!Linus Torvalds2017/04/06 03:25 PM
                                      Intel x86 registers to the rescue!John Yates2017/04/06 04:51 PM
                                      Intel x86 registers to the rescue!David Hess2017/04/08 05:49 AM
                                        Intel x86 registers to the rescue!Ireland2017/04/08 03:47 PM
                                          Intel x86 registers to the rescue!wumpus2017/04/08 05:51 PM
                                            Intel x86 registers to the rescue!David Hess2017/04/09 02:57 PM
                                        Memory laneJohn Yates2017/04/11 01:24 PM
                                          Memory lanesomeone2017/04/12 05:27 AM
                                            Memory laneJohn Yates2017/04/12 02:01 PM
                                          Memory laneIreland2017/04/12 10:23 AM
                                    Intel x86 registers to the rescue!dmcq2017/04/06 11:47 PM
                              RISC *was* science, not religionDavid Hess2017/04/08 05:16 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religiongallier22017/04/05 10:49 PM
                            6502 = accumulator machine (NT)Wilco2017/04/06 02:22 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religiongallier22017/04/05 11:12 PM
                            same difference ...RichardC2017/04/06 11:57 AM
                    RISC *was* science, not religionRonald Maas2017/04/04 08:04 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religiondmcq2017/04/05 11:03 AM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionAdrian2017/04/05 01:24 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religiongallier22017/04/05 11:33 PM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionRonald Maas2017/04/08 08:07 AM
                    RISC *was* science, not religionJohn Yates2017/04/05 02:39 PM
                      RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/07 02:30 PM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionwumpus2017/04/08 07:41 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionLinus Torvalds2017/04/08 10:43 AM
                            RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/08 07:53 PM
                              RISC *was* science, not religionLinus Torvalds2017/04/09 07:52 AM
                            VAX/VMS compatibilityRichardC2017/04/09 06:54 AM
                              VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 07:19 AM
                              VAX/VMS compatibilityMichael S2017/04/09 07:20 AM
                                VAX/VMS compatibilityRichardC2017/04/09 07:32 AM
                                  VAX/VMS compatibilitydmcq2017/04/09 07:47 AM
                                    I suppose, you are only familiar with British mainfraimes (NT)Michael S2017/04/09 07:55 AM
                                      I suppose, you are only familiar with British mainfraimesdmcq2017/04/09 04:12 PM
                                    VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 08:08 AM
                                    VAX/VMS compatibilityrwessel2017/04/09 08:51 AM
                                      VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 11:35 AM
                                        VAX/VMS compatibilityanon2017/04/09 05:24 PM
                                          VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 05:47 PM
                                            VAX/VMS compatibilityanon2017/04/09 06:29 PM
                                              VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 06:43 PM
                                              Ireland = AI botanonymou52017/04/10 04:21 AM
                                                That joke is getting old (NT)Anon2017/04/11 12:23 AM
                                                  It isn't 100% a joke.Mark Roulo2017/04/11 06:13 AM
                                                    It isn't 100% a joke.Michael_S2017/04/11 09:19 AM
                                                      It isn't 100% a joke.Ireland2017/04/11 09:48 AM
                                                      It isn't 100% a joke.anonymou52017/04/12 08:40 PM
                                                    It isn't 100% a joke.Dan Downs2017/04/11 03:05 PM
                                                      Shaka, when the walls fell (NT)Darmok2017/04/11 11:19 PM
                                                      It isn't 100% a joke.Brendan2017/04/13 04:34 AM
                                                        Can Someone Fix "Greater Than/Less Than" Handling Bugs??Brendan2017/04/13 04:38 AM
                                                          6th decadeMichael S2017/04/13 05:34 AM
                                                            6th decadeIreland2017/04/13 09:17 AM
                                                        It isn't 100% a joke.Gabriele Svelto2017/04/15 07:14 AM
                                                          It isn't 100% a joke.dmcq2017/04/16 04:09 AM
                                                            It isn't 100% a joke.Brendan2017/04/16 02:01 PM
                                                              The less loquacious left it alone (NT)Anon2017/04/17 11:49 PM
                                                To Wit, many here..John H2017/04/12 10:40 AM
                                                  To Wit, many here..Ireland2017/04/12 10:54 AM
                                      VAX/VMS compatibilitydmcq2017/04/09 04:02 PM
                                        VAX/VMS compatibilityIreland2017/04/09 04:19 PM
                                        VAX/VMS compatibilityrwessel2017/04/09 09:20 PM
                                          VAX/VMS compatibilitywumpus2017/04/10 05:14 AM
                                            VAX/VMS compatibilityrwessel2017/04/10 07:10 AM
                                            VAX/VMS compatibilitydmcq2017/04/10 09:11 AM
                                          VAX/VMS compatibilityJohn Yates2017/04/12 06:42 PM
                                            VAX/VMS compatibilityrwessel2017/04/12 08:19 PM
                                    VAX/VMS compatibilityJohn Yates2017/04/12 08:41 PM
                                      VAX/VMS development - thank you, JohnMichael S2017/04/13 03:54 AM
                                        VAX/VMS development - thank you, JohnRob Thorpe2017/04/14 07:19 AM
                                          VAX/VMS development - thank you, JohnJohn Yates2017/04/14 03:20 PM
                                      VAX/VMS compatibilitydmcq2017/04/13 05:23 AM
                        RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/08 10:04 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/08 11:01 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionwumpus2017/04/08 04:57 PM
                            RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/09 09:49 AM
                          RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/09 03:15 PM
                            RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/09 10:07 PM
                              RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/10 01:17 AM
                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/10 08:01 AM
                                  RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/10 10:27 AM
                                    RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/10 02:25 PM
                                      RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/10 04:12 PM
                                        RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/10 09:54 PM
                                          RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/11 02:14 AM
                                            RISC *was* science, not religiondmcq2017/04/11 02:44 AM
                                            RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/11 08:03 AM
                                              RISC *was* science, not religionWilco2017/04/11 01:04 PM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/11 08:07 PM
                                              RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/11 01:15 PM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionrwessel2017/04/11 04:38 PM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/11 07:36 PM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/12 01:01 AM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionGabriele Svelto2017/04/12 01:38 AM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 11:20 AM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/11 09:54 PM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/12 12:52 AM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religiondmcq2017/04/12 03:27 AM
                                                    RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/12 07:43 AM
                                                      RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/12 10:03 AM
                                              RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/11 01:32 PM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/11 09:45 PM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/12 09:07 AM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religiongpd2017/04/12 01:31 AM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 10:16 AM
                                                    RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/12 10:27 AM
                                                      RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 11:02 AM
                                                        RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/12 11:46 AM
                                                          RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 02:41 PM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 10:33 AM
                                                  RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/12 11:56 AM
                                                    RISC *was* science, not religionTravis2017/04/12 03:22 PM
                                            RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/11 11:08 AM
                                        RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/11 01:10 AM
                                          RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/11 02:28 AM
                                            RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/11 03:46 AM
                                              RISC *was* science, not religionmatthew2017/04/11 07:59 AM
                                                RISC *was* science, not religionanon2017/04/11 12:28 PM
                                        RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/11 10:41 AM
                                    RISC *was* science, not religionanon.12017/04/10 07:03 PM
                                      RISC *was* science, not religionRicardo B2017/04/11 02:47 AM
              RISC *was* science, not religionbakaneko2017/04/03 10:45 PM
                RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/04 12:45 AM
                  RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/04 08:30 AM
                  RISC *was* science, not religiondmcq2017/04/04 08:43 AM
              RISC *was* science, not religionDavid Hess2017/04/05 01:18 AM
                RISC *was* science, not religionMichael S2017/04/05 03:02 AM
            RISC *was* science, not religionDavid Hess2017/04/05 12:54 AM
              RISC *was* science, not religionRichardC2017/04/05 03:31 AM
                ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Heikki Kultala2017/04/05 04:23 AM
                  ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?dmcq2017/04/05 06:34 AM
                    MIPS condition evaluation?Heikki Kultala2017/04/05 07:28 AM
                      MIPS condition evaluation?Michael S2017/04/05 09:28 AM
                        MIPS condition evaluation?Heikki Kultala2017/04/05 09:55 AM
                          MIPS condition evaluation?Michael S2017/04/05 11:12 AM
                            MIPS condition evaluation?Heikki Kultala2017/04/05 11:54 AM
                              MIPS condition evaluation?dmcq2017/04/05 12:02 PM
                              MIPS condition evaluation?Heikki Kultala2017/04/05 12:03 PM
                  ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?RichardC2017/04/05 08:18 AM
                    ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/05 10:20 AM
                      ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?RichardC2017/04/05 12:23 PM
                        ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/05 04:51 PM
                          ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?RichardC2017/04/05 08:06 PM
                            TransputerRichardC2017/04/06 04:20 AM
                            ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/06 07:54 AM
                              ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?RichardC2017/04/06 10:14 AM
                                ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/06 10:40 AM
                                  ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?RichardC2017/04/06 11:01 AM
                                    your theoryRichardC2017/04/06 12:49 PM
                                      your theoryLinus Torvalds2017/04/06 01:39 PM
                                        your theoryLinus Torvalds2017/04/06 02:04 PM
                                          your theoryIreland2017/04/06 02:48 PM
                                            Integrators of RISC cpu's interested only in software app salesIreland2017/04/06 04:11 PM
                                          cheap machines with GUIsRichardC2017/04/07 03:40 AM
                                            compatibility and evolutionary strategyRichardC2017/04/07 05:27 AM
                                              68K clones?Michael S2017/04/07 05:40 AM
                                                68K clones?Yuhong Bao2017/04/07 06:54 AM
                                                Apollo core ...Mark Roulo2017/04/07 09:28 AM
                                                68K clones?Ronald Maas2017/04/07 05:07 PM
                                                68K clones?Per Hesselgren2017/04/08 12:05 AM
                                                  68K clones?Per Hesselgren2017/04/08 12:06 AM
                                                    68K clones?Michael S2017/04/08 11:10 AM
                                              compatibility and evolutionary strategyIreland2017/04/07 08:33 AM
                                              compatibility and evolutionary strategyIreland2017/04/07 08:50 AM
                                                high-margin productsRichardC2017/04/07 09:16 AM
                                                  high-margin productsIreland2017/04/07 01:53 PM
                                                    high-margin productswumpus2017/04/08 06:45 PM
                                                      high-margin productsRichardC2017/04/09 05:06 AM
                                                        high-margin productsMichael S2017/04/09 05:26 AM
                                                          high-margin productsIreland2017/04/09 06:13 AM
                                                            high-margin productswumpus2017/04/09 09:01 AM
                                                          user-visible ISA's still evolvingRichardC2017/04/09 07:09 AM
                                                            user-visible ISA's still evolvingIreland2017/04/09 02:08 PM
                                                      Economics and doing a MIPS, SGI or 3dfx startup today . . . Ireland2017/04/09 07:08 AM
                                                        Economics and doing a MIPS, SGI or 3dfx startup today . . . bakaneko2017/04/09 09:45 AM
                                                          Economics and doing a MIPS, SGI or 3dfx startup today . . . Ireland2017/04/09 12:32 PM
                                        your theoryRichardC2017/04/06 03:57 PM
                                          your theoryIreland2017/04/06 04:29 PM
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                                          x86 ISA license historyRichardC2017/04/06 04:31 PM
                                            x86 ISA license historywumpus2017/04/07 06:35 AM
                                              x86 ISA license historyRichardC2017/04/07 08:26 AM
                                          370 on 68KMatt Sayler2017/04/06 04:38 PM
                                            370 on 68KDavid Hess2017/04/08 09:18 AM
                                          your theoryLinus Torvalds2017/04/06 06:20 PM
                                            your theoryRichardC2017/04/06 07:34 PM
                                              Intel's clone warsRichardC2017/04/06 07:42 PM
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                                  ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Doug S2017/04/07 10:24 AM
                                    ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/07 10:50 AM
                                      ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Doug S2017/04/10 08:58 PM
                                ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Tim McCaffrey2017/04/06 05:32 PM
                          ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Doug S2017/04/05 10:58 PM
                            Are you sure about orders of magnitude? (NT)Michael S2017/04/06 02:24 AM
                        ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Tim McCaffrey2017/04/06 05:21 PM
                      ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?somebody2017/04/06 08:41 AM
                        ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/06 11:01 AM
                          ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Wilco2017/04/06 06:17 PM
                            ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/07 10:35 AM
                              ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/07 11:20 AM
                              ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Exophase2017/04/07 12:22 PM
                                ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Linus Torvalds2017/04/08 12:32 AM
                                  Software FP vs trap emulationWilco2017/04/08 04:20 AM
                                    Software FP vs trap emulationRonald Maas2017/04/08 07:45 AM
                                      Software FP vs trap emulationdmcq2017/04/08 09:29 AM
                                        Software FP vs trap emulationdmcq2017/04/08 09:44 AM
                                          Software FP vs trap emulationWilco2017/04/08 04:24 PM
                                        Software FP vs trap emulationLinus Torvalds2017/04/08 09:52 AM
                                          Software FP vs trap emulationIreland2017/04/08 10:46 AM
                                          Software FP vs trap emulationMichael S2017/04/08 12:23 PM
                                            Software FP vs trap emulationLinus Torvalds2017/04/08 02:38 PM
                                              Software FP vs trap emulationMichael S2017/04/08 03:23 PM
                                          Software FP vs trap emulation@2017/04/08 05:17 PM
                                            Software FP vs trap emulationLinus Torvalds2017/04/09 07:59 AM
                                              Software FP vs trap emulationIreland2017/04/09 08:20 AM
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                                                Software FP vs trap emulationrwessel2017/04/09 09:27 AM
                                                  Software FP vs trap emulationIreland2017/04/09 12:49 PM
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                                    Software FP vs trap emulationMichael S2017/04/08 11:46 AM
                                      Software FP vs trap emulationWilco2017/04/08 04:01 PM
                                        Software FP vs trap emulationBrett2017/04/08 10:30 PM
                                          Software FP vs trap emulationmatthew2017/04/09 12:14 AM
                                            Software FP vs trap emulationWilco2017/04/09 06:10 AM
                                  Acorn vs DECRichardC2017/04/09 07:27 AM
                                  ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Exophase2017/04/09 12:02 PM
                                    ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Wilco2017/04/09 01:52 PM
                                      ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Exophase2017/04/09 05:16 PM
                                        ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Wilco2017/04/10 12:40 AM
                                          ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Exophase2017/04/10 12:00 PM
                                            ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Wilco2017/04/10 03:19 PM
                              ARM solution and MIPS condition evaluation?Ireland2017/04/07 04:34 PM
                RISC *was* science, not religionDavid Hess2017/04/05 11:24 PM
                  RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/06 08:54 AM
              RISC *was* science, not religionIreland2017/04/05 12:23 PM
            CISC religion?wumpus2017/04/08 08:49 AM
              CISC religion?Ireland2017/04/08 12:24 PM
              CISC religion?Ireland2017/04/08 12:39 PM
                Alan Turing Ireland2017/04/08 04:31 PM
                  Alan Turing rwessel2017/04/08 08:52 PM
                    Alan Turing Ireland2017/04/09 04:35 AM
                CISC religion?wumpus2017/04/08 06:19 PM
                  narrow vs wide skillsetsRichardC2017/04/08 06:42 PM
                  CISC religion?rwessel2017/04/08 08:33 PM
                    CISC religion?wumpus2017/04/09 04:10 PM
                      CISC religion?David Hess2017/04/09 06:56 PM
                        CISC religion?rwessel2017/04/09 11:25 PM
              CISC religion?RichardC2017/04/08 02:44 PM
                CISC religion?Michael S2017/04/08 03:47 PM
                  CISC religion?Michael S2017/04/08 03:52 PM
                    CISC religion?Ireland2017/04/08 04:16 PM
                      CISC religion?Michael S2017/04/08 04:26 PM
                        CISC religion?Ireland2017/04/08 04:41 PM
                          CISC religion?wumpus2017/04/08 07:04 PM
                            OT - faster RAMMichael S2017/04/09 04:26 AM
                          CISC religion?rwessel2017/04/08 09:10 PM
                            CISC religion?rwessel2017/04/08 09:10 PM
                      gone parallel now ...RichardC2017/04/08 06:15 PM
                CISC religion?gallier22017/04/09 05:47 AM
                  fascinating link, thanks! (NT)RichardC2017/04/09 08:46 AM
                CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/10 04:55 AM
                  CISC religion?anon2017/04/10 08:49 AM
                    CISC religion?Travis2017/04/10 10:30 AM
                      CISC religion?Travis2017/04/10 10:32 AM
                        CISC religion?anon2017/04/10 01:12 PM
                          CISC religion?Travis2017/04/10 06:41 PM
                            CISC religion?Michael_S2017/04/11 09:44 AM
                      CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/10 03:01 PM
                        CISC religion?Michael_S2017/04/11 09:56 AM
                          CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/11 12:27 PM
                        CISC religion?Wilco2017/04/11 12:45 PM
                          CISC religion?Michael S2017/04/11 01:07 PM
                          CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/11 03:32 PM
                    CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/10 03:24 PM
                  CISC religion?dmcq2017/04/10 01:17 PM
                    CISC religion?Ricardo B2017/04/10 04:16 PM
              CISC religion?Seni2017/04/09 03:06 AM
                CISC religion?Ireland2017/04/09 04:40 AM
                  CISC religion?wumpus2017/04/09 09:08 AM
                yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheRichardC2017/04/09 04:50 AM
                  yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheSeni2017/04/09 05:19 AM
                    yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheRichardC2017/04/09 07:47 AM
                      minimal microcodeRichardC2017/04/09 08:33 AM
                        minimal microcodeSeni2017/04/09 09:02 AM
                          interesting, that makes sense (NT)RichardC2017/04/09 01:45 PM
                      yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheanon2017/04/09 07:57 PM
                        yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheRichardC2017/04/10 05:18 AM
                          yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheSeni2017/04/10 02:51 PM
                            yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheWilco2017/04/11 01:56 AM
                              yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cachedmcq2017/04/11 02:06 AM
                                no, ARM's 42 rows x 36 bits = 189 bytes (NT)RichardC2017/04/11 07:11 AM
                                  no, ARM's 42 rows x 36 bits = 189 bytesdmcq2017/04/12 03:42 AM
                              yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheSeni2017/04/11 11:27 AM
                                yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacherwessel2017/04/11 05:02 PM
                                  yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheSeni2017/04/11 09:27 PM
                                    yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheRichardC2017/04/12 10:06 AM
                                      yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheSeni2017/04/12 11:47 AM
                                        yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheWilco2017/04/12 12:38 PM
                                        not the normal usageRichardC2017/04/12 06:58 PM
                                        yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacherwessel2017/04/12 08:40 PM
                                    yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cachedmcq2017/04/12 01:19 PM
                                      yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacherwessel2017/04/12 08:49 PM
                                        yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cachedmcq2017/04/13 02:44 AM
                                    yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cacheanon2017/04/12 07:06 PM
                        yes, except ARM and SPARC lacked cachewumpus2017/04/10 05:37 AM
  Apple confirms that they are ditching Imagination within two yearsAnon2017/04/03 01:36 AM
    Apple confirms that they are ditching Imagination within two yearsDoug S2017/04/03 11:56 AM
      Or Samsung buys them, develops their own GPU, and uses the patents in the next lawsuit (NT)Anon2017/04/03 12:26 PM
        Or Samsung buys them, develops their own GPU, and uses the patents in the next lawsuit Michael S2017/04/03 01:33 PM
        Or ARM buys them, and gets any money they can from their IP and customersdmcq2017/04/04 08:55 AM
  IMGTEC stock has crashed already.VertexMaster2017/04/03 04:33 AM
    IMGTEC stock has crashed already.Andreas2017/04/03 06:33 AM
      IMGTEC stock has crashed already.Exophase2017/04/03 08:43 AM
    IMGTEC stock has crashed already.Doug S2017/04/03 11:51 AM
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