Mathematica on iPad

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), October 21, 2017 9:58 am
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dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on October 21, 2017 7:03 am wrote:
> Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on October 21, 2017 1:49 am wrote:
> > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on October 20, 2017 8:16 pm wrote:
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> > Thanks for the interesting information.
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> > The low performance for multi-precision operations is not surprising.
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> > While this version of Mathematica can probably be improved a lot, it cannot not reach parity
> > with x86, because this (support for multi-precision operations) is exactly the area were the
> > ARMv8 ISA is the most deficient compared with the x86 ISA (especially since Broadwell, but
> > also Intel since Nehalem & the AMD before Bulldozer were far above any competition).
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> > Other deficiencies of the initial ARMv8 have already been addressed in the later extensions
> > (e.g. atomic operations), but I have not heard anything about any plans for bignums.
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> I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I can see the multi-precision ADOX and
> ADCX operations of Broadwell correspond to single instructions including the
> actions on flags on ARMv8 and MULX becomes two instructions on ARMv8.

I explained my take on this in a comment just above, but also you and Adrian need to remember that I did my Macbook Pro testing on an Ivy Bridge, so whatever niceness Broadwell brings to the party, it's not relevant to the leading order difference we're seeing.
Really, like I said, I think it's all the difference between "how can you track overflow bits in C" (via branches) vs how can you do it in assembly (much faster!); though once you have that down, certainly the next step is you want to be able to grab the high bits of multiplication, and for that again you need to go outside C.
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