By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), August 23, 2018 1:30 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Travis (travis.downs.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 23, 2018 1:29 pm wrote:
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> It is not idiotic and no one was asking for a guarantee. This not an rseq-type thing
Ok, so it has absolutely nothing to do with what rseq does, and shouldn't have been brought up as an alternative.
Without the time slice guarantee it is purely about bad locking needing help. Your "turning it from 100% to rare" argument is bogus too, since a context switch is so (relatively) rare to begin with that this can only help if your locking is really broken and this triggers so much that it likely triggers the next time too.
Just fix the locking. Don't ask for crazy hacks that add no value except to your broken shit.
Because if you do, sane OS people will tell you to pound sand instead of asking for garbage that we have to support forever, whether it makes sense or not.
Linus
>
> It is not idiotic and no one was asking for a guarantee. This not an rseq-type thing
Ok, so it has absolutely nothing to do with what rseq does, and shouldn't have been brought up as an alternative.
Without the time slice guarantee it is purely about bad locking needing help. Your "turning it from 100% to rare" argument is bogus too, since a context switch is so (relatively) rare to begin with that this can only help if your locking is really broken and this triggers so much that it likely triggers the next time too.
Just fix the locking. Don't ask for crazy hacks that add no value except to your broken shit.
Because if you do, sane OS people will tell you to pound sand instead of asking for garbage that we have to support forever, whether it makes sense or not.
Linus
| Topic | Posted By | Date |
|---|---|---|
| ARM turns to a god and a hero | AM | 2018/08/16 08:32 AM |
| ARM turns to a god and a hero | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/16 08:41 AM |
| ARM turns to a god and a hero | Doug S | 2018/08/16 10:11 AM |
| ARM turns to a god and a hero | Geoff Langdale | 2018/08/16 10:59 PM |
| ARM turns to a god and a hero | dmcq | 2018/08/17 04:12 AM |
| ARM is somewhat misleading | Adrian | 2018/08/16 10:56 PM |
| It's marketing material | Gabriele Svelto | 2018/08/17 12:00 AM |
| It's marketing material | Michael S | 2018/08/17 02:13 AM |
| It's marketing material | dmcq | 2018/08/17 04:23 AM |
| It's marketing material | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 06:25 AM |
| It's marketing material | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/17 10:20 AM |
| It's marketing material | Groo | 2018/08/17 12:44 PM |
| It's marketing material | Doug S | 2018/08/17 01:14 PM |
| promises and deliveries | AM | 2018/08/17 01:32 PM |
| promises and deliveries | Passing Through | 2018/08/17 02:02 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | Passing Through | 2018/08/17 02:15 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | AM | 2018/08/18 11:49 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | Passing Through | 2018/08/18 12:34 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Passing Through | 2018/08/18 12:54 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/18 01:50 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Passing Through | 2018/08/18 02:57 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Passing Through | 2018/09/06 01:42 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Maynard Handley | 2018/09/07 03:10 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Passing Through | 2018/09/07 03:48 PM |
| This ain't the nineties any longer | Maynard Handley | 2018/09/07 04:22 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | Wilco | 2018/08/18 12:26 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | Passing Through | 2018/08/18 12:39 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | none | 2018/08/18 09:52 PM |
| Just by way of clarification | dmcq | 2018/08/19 07:32 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | none | 2018/08/19 07:54 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | dmcq | 2018/08/19 10:24 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | none | 2018/08/19 10:52 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | Gabriele Svelto | 2018/08/19 05:41 AM |
| Just by way of clarification | Passing Through | 2018/08/19 08:25 AM |
| Whiteboards at Gatwick airport anyone? | Passing Through | 2018/08/20 03:24 AM |
| It's marketing material | Michael S | 2018/08/18 10:12 AM |
| It's marketing material | Brett | 2018/08/18 04:22 PM |
| It's marketing material | Brett | 2018/08/18 04:33 PM |
| It's marketing material | Adrian | 2018/08/19 12:21 AM |
| A76 | AM | 2018/08/17 01:45 PM |
| A76 | Michael S | 2018/08/18 10:20 AM |
| A76 | AM | 2018/08/18 11:39 AM |
| A76 | Michael S | 2018/08/18 11:49 AM |
| A76 | AM | 2018/08/18 12:06 PM |
| A76 | Doug S | 2018/08/18 12:43 PM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/18 01:42 PM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/18 03:22 PM |
| Why write zeros when one can use metadata? | Paul A. Clayton | 2018/08/18 05:19 PM |
| Why write zeros when one can use metadata? | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/19 10:12 AM |
| Dictionary compress might apply to memcopy | Paul A. Clayton | 2018/08/19 12:45 PM |
| Instructions for zeroing | Konrad Schwarz | 2018/08/30 05:37 AM |
| Instructions for zeroing | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/30 07:41 AM |
| Instructions for zeroing | Adrian | 2018/08/30 10:37 AM |
| dcbz -> dcbzl (was: Instructions for zeroing) | hobold | 2018/08/31 12:50 AM |
| dcbz -> dcbzl (was: Instructions for zeroing) | dmcq | 2018/09/01 04:28 AM |
| A76 | Travis | 2018/08/19 10:36 AM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/19 11:22 AM |
| A76 | Travis | 2018/08/19 01:07 PM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/19 05:24 PM |
| Remote atomics | matthew | 2018/08/19 11:51 AM |
| Remote atomics | Michael S | 2018/08/19 12:58 PM |
| Remote atomics | matthew | 2018/08/19 01:32 PM |
| Remote atomics | Michael S | 2018/08/19 01:36 PM |
| Remote atomics | matthew | 2018/08/19 01:48 PM |
| Remote atomics | Michael S | 2018/08/19 02:16 PM |
| Remote atomics | Ricardo B | 2018/08/20 09:05 AM |
| Remote atomics | dmcq | 2018/08/19 01:33 PM |
| Remote atomics | Travis | 2018/08/19 01:32 PM |
| Remote atomics | Michael S | 2018/08/19 01:46 PM |
| Remote atomics | Travis | 2018/08/19 04:35 PM |
| Remote atomics | Michael S | 2018/08/20 02:29 AM |
| Remote atomics | matthew | 2018/08/19 06:58 PM |
| Remote atomics | anon | 2018/08/19 11:59 PM |
| Remote atomics | Travis | 2018/08/20 09:26 AM |
| Remote atomics | Travis | 2018/08/20 08:57 AM |
| Remote atomics | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/20 03:29 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Paul A. Clayton | 2018/08/21 08:09 AM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 01:34 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 02:31 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Gabriele Svelto | 2018/08/21 02:54 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 03:26 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Travis | 2018/08/21 03:21 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 03:39 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Travis | 2018/08/21 03:59 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 04:13 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | anon | 2018/08/21 03:27 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 05:02 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Etienne | 2018/08/22 01:28 AM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Gabriele Svelto | 2018/08/22 02:07 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Travis | 2018/08/22 03:00 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | anon | 2018/08/22 05:52 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Travis | 2018/08/21 03:37 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Paul A. Clayton | 2018/08/23 04:42 AM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/23 11:46 AM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Travis | 2018/08/23 12:29 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Travis | 2018/08/23 12:33 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Jeff S. | 2018/08/24 06:57 AM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Travis | 2018/08/24 07:47 AM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/23 01:30 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Travis | 2018/08/23 02:11 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/24 12:00 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Gabriele Svelto | 2018/08/24 12:25 PM |
| Is preventing misuse that complex? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/24 12:33 PM |
| Fitting time slices to execution phases | Travis | 2018/08/21 02:54 PM |
| rseq: holy grail rwlock? | Travis | 2018/08/21 02:18 PM |
| rseq: holy grail rwlock? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 02:59 PM |
| rseq: holy grail rwlock? | Travis | 2018/08/21 03:27 PM |
| rseq: holy grail rwlock? | Linus Torvalds | 2018/08/21 04:10 PM |
| rseq: holy grail rwlock? | Travis | 2018/08/21 05:21 PM |
| ARM design houses | Michael S | 2018/08/21 04:07 AM |
| ARM design houses | Wilco | 2018/08/22 11:38 AM |
| ARM design houses | Michael S | 2018/08/22 01:21 PM |
| ARM design houses | Wilco | 2018/08/22 02:23 PM |
| ARM design houses | Michael S | 2018/08/29 12:58 AM |
| Qualcomm's core naming scheme really, really sucks | Heikki Kultala | 2018/08/29 01:19 AM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/18 01:07 PM |
| A76 | Michael S | 2018/08/18 01:32 PM |
| A76 | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/18 01:52 PM |
| A76 | Michael S | 2018/08/18 02:04 PM |
| ARM is somewhat misleading | juanrga | 2018/08/17 12:20 AM |
| Surprised?? | Alberto | 2018/08/17 12:52 AM |
| Surprised?? | Alberto | 2018/08/17 01:10 AM |
| Surprised?? | none | 2018/08/17 01:46 AM |
| Garbage talk | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 06:30 AM |
| Garbage talk | Michael S | 2018/08/17 06:43 AM |
| Garbage talk | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 08:51 AM |
| Garbage talk | Michael S | 2018/08/18 10:29 AM |
| Garbage talk | Adrian | 2018/08/17 07:28 AM |
| Garbage talk | Alberto | 2018/08/17 08:20 AM |
| Garbage talk | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 08:48 AM |
| Garbage talk | Adrian | 2018/08/17 09:17 AM |
| Garbage talk | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 09:36 AM |
| Garbage talk | Adrian | 2018/08/17 01:53 PM |
| Garbage talk | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 11:17 PM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Alberto | 2018/08/17 08:13 AM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 08:34 AM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Alberto | 2018/08/17 09:03 AM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Andrei Frumusanu | 2018/08/17 09:43 AM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Doug S | 2018/08/17 01:17 PM |
| 15W phone SoCs | AM | 2018/08/17 02:04 PM |
| More like a religion he?? ARM has an easy life :) | Maynard Handley | 2018/08/17 11:29 AM |
| my future stuff will be better than your old stuff, hey I'm a god at last (NT) | Eric Bron | 2018/08/18 02:34 AM |
| my future stuff will be better than your old stuff, hey I'm a god at last | none | 2018/08/18 07:34 AM |