Here's what I think happened

By: dmcq (, October 6, 2018 4:52 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Maynard Handley ( on October 5, 2018 4:23 pm wrote:
> Doug S ( on October 5, 2018 12:56 pm wrote:
> > dmcq ( on October 5, 2018 1:27 am wrote:
> > > Maynard Handley ( on October 4, 2018 4:01 pm wrote:
> > > > David Kanter ( on October 4, 2018 8:23 am wrote:
> > > > > Bloomberg released a fantastic report on Chinese intelligence inserting malicious
> > > > > HW into supply chains for servers:
> > > > >
> > > > > It sure gives a different angle to the move to a hardware root-of-trust by the industry. In reality though,
> > > > > I'm not sure if HW RoT is sufficient. You can always sniff capacitance across an exposed wire!
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > >
> > > > Apple just ratcheted up the level of denial:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Among other things:
> > > > "Finally, in response to questions we have received from other news organizations since Businessweek
> > > > published its story, we are not under any kind of gag order or other confidentiality obligations"
> > >
> > > Of course the would say that ;-) Anything they do now will just feed a feeding frenzy.
> >
> >
> > The article says the information was very closely held within Apple, and the same is surely true of Amazon.
> > I'll bet once this was discovered, the engineers involved
> > go to their manager, who says we need to take this
> > to the government. The FBI asks them not to discuss it with anyone else on national security grounds.
> >
> > Either the FBI talks to Bloomberg (either deliberately or via a leak) or the people at Apple/Amazon
> > who know become concerned not getting any feedback from the FBI and worry other companies may be attacked
> > and not know to defend themselves so they go to the press. Either way, when spokespeople at Apple/Amazon
> > are contacted, they email various executives "hey do you know anything about this" and they contact
> > some others but the people who know about it and didn't tell others within the company aren't contacted.
> > Thus the company issues denials, because as far as anyone is aware the story is false.
> >
> > Meanwhile the guys who know about this read the story, then
> > see their company making official denials. If they
> > talk to someone "hey I was involved in this, it is true"
> > then they might get in trouble. For making the company
> > look bad issuing a denial they'd have to retract, for perhaps not following proper procedures when the FBI
> > was contacted, for potentially whistleblowing to the press.
> > They aren't likely to be rewarded for any of these
> > things, and could possibly get fired (if they would leak
> > this to the press, maybe they would leak other stuff,
> > better get rid of them just in case) So there's an incentive for them to remain silent now.
> Or, crazy theory:
> - when the issue is DISCOVERED, the CEO (at Amazon or Apple) gets told
> - when Bloomberg article comes out, the SAME CEO is asked what the company response should be
> and there is no "falling between the cracks" where the people asked aren't the people involved?
> Do you really think that, in both cases, the CEOs would not have been consulted?
> As for "of course they would say that", well at some point you play the odds as to historical
> patterns of honesty, motivations, etc. Sure, sure, maybe god buried dinosaur bones when
> he constructed the earth 6000 years ago --- but I'd rather play the odds than believe
> theories designed to force certain outcomes no matter WHAT evidence arises.

I was just making fun of the hermetic reasoning of conspiracy theorists. Any denial by Apple will simply make them even more convinced that Apple are covering up.
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