Important clue for several posters

By: anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com), October 14, 2018 2:29 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
AM (myname4rwt.delete@this.jee-male.com) on October 14, 2018 8:58 am wrote:
> anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on October 13, 2018 2:20 am wrote:
> > AM (myname4rwt.delete@this.jee-male.com) on October 12, 2018 4:48 am wrote:
> > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on October 11, 2018 3:49 pm wrote:
> > > > AM (myname4rwt.delete@this.jee-male.com) on October 11, 2018 11:02 am wrote:
> > > > > Foo_ (foo.delete@this.nomail.com) on October 11, 2018 10:22 am wrote:
> > > > > > AM (myname4rwt.delete@this.jee-male.com) on October 11, 2018 9:15 am wrote:
> > > > > > > And considering Cloudflare's well-known stance wrt ARM vs x86 (see e.g. https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/design/cloudflare-bets-arm-servers-it-expands-its-data-center-network)
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> > > > > > > I suspect -- assuming Cloudflare folks are negotiation-smart -- they got these rejects not just for
> > > > > > > free, but for a hefty subzero price, part of their deal being this blog post mentioning they're upgrading
> > > > > > > their fleet to an off-roadmap/custom Intel CPU "offering considerable value in performance per watt".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why would Intel pay to advertise a CPU model that they don't want to sell?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to advertise a "CPU model", but for Cloudflare staying with
> > > > > Intel -- their ARM intentions are well-known (link above).
> > > > >
> > > > > > > With Centriq, ThunderX2, and finally Ampere eMAG servers available (https://insidehpc.com/2018/10/ampere-augments-arm-servers-new-developer-platform/),
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> > > > > > > I guess the value of such PR project targeted at various business execs is well worth
> > > > > > > selling rejects at negative price to prevent someone size of Cloudflare switching to
> > > > > > > ARM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are not many companies "size of Cloudflare" (in # of servers) around the world, I think.
> > > > > > And I doubt those companies make CPU architecture decisions by reading blog posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing more than sloppy wording on my part -- companies who consider, or are forced to consider,
> > > > > power efficiency and computer density are surely not limited to size of Cloudflare.
> > > >
> > > > They're all already looking at ARM, AMD, some even POWER.
> > > > They all have a strong interest to make non-Intel look
> > > > good on their workloads even if they don't switch, to negotiate with Intel. PR has nothing to do with it.
> > >
> > > The thing is, regardless of whether Intel had PR-related considerations in this deal or not,
> > > there's no denial they exist -- it simply wouldn't be smart for them not to take any PR advantage
> > > out of a deal like that.
> >
> > What PR are you talking about? You were saying there was some
> > PR issue as though other companies of similar scale
> > would look at this posting and suddenly get the bright idea
> > to test ARM CPUs. Now it's pointed out how ridiculous
> > that was, you claim to be giving me a clue! The nerve. Since
> > you went crazy a while back and insisted I was several
> > other people, I'll go ahead and call you Maynard because that's a leaf right out of his book.
>
> You clearly have issues with taking some posts too personal for some reason;

You are the person who had a huge meltdown a few months ago and started accusing people of being other people because the internet was making him angry, are you not? I just want to confirm I didn't mix up my facts.

[snip paranoid delusions]

>
> Anyway, if you really happen to believe that Intel made a custom part for Cloudflare
> specifically tuned to their workload as they did for Amazon, FB, Google --
> keep believing, I don't buy that as figures suggest otherwise.

And if I don't, then you have nothing, because that strawman seems to be the only thing you're still clutching at. I never said that or thought that, thanks for your concern though.

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> > > Just like it wouldn't be smart for Cloudflare not to do a bit of digging
> > > and tell Intel upfront they are being offered rejects of commercial bins.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > >
> > > Besides, the whole assumption that Intel went out of its way and made a custom part for
> > > Cloudflare tuned to suit their workloads is way too fishy to consider it seriously (they
> > > may have claimed whatever they wanted to Cloudflare in private talks when they approached
> > > them to keep them as a customer, but claims are one thing, facts are another).
> >
> > So you take them at their word when they say good things about ARM, but they
> > must be lying when they said something good about Intel. Interesting logic.
>
> No, you're definitely not friends with logic (as I think I mentioned to you before):

I don't think you're qualified to keep track of what you mention to who, considering you can't distinguish people. But we'll ignore that.

> I don't dispute
> their measurements regardless of whether they are x86 or ARM; but trivial math shows that power efficiency
> of this SKU is worse than anything Intel sells, and had Cloudflare run comparisons vs Intel's commercial
> bins of 24-core chips rather than their G8 hw, it would become obvious even to you.

The end result was that they said to be appeased by the performance of the part, wherever it came from.

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> > >
> > > And, quite frankly, after their notorious 28-core 5 GHz demo at Computex last summer the assumption
> > > of Intel doing a custom part for Cloudflare which some posters here seem to take for granted, is
> > > downright dumb. A nice video in this regard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozcEel1rNKM
> > >
> > > Interestingly enough, my comment to their blog post which says literally
> > > "There's likely more to this story than meets the eye from the post
> > > [link to this thread on RWT]"
> > >
> > > clearly did not pass the moderation.
> > >
> > > I posted another one mainly to check whether it would be blocked
> > > as well, but it's early to decide yet on this one:
> > > "Considering that both ThunderX2 servers and Ampere eMAG server-type development systems are
> > > available for purchase (https://developer.amperecomputing.com), why don't you guys get hold
> > > of them and publish some performance and power consumption benchmarks as you did before? "
> >
> > You hold a great chip on your shoulder, but sadly for you none of that had
> > anything to do with me or my comment to your post about this PR nonsense.
> >
> > You have to argue what's in front of you, not against all the people you perceive have wronged
> > you in the past on this and various other swamps around the internet. It's just ridiculous
> > having a big tantrum like this when some small things is pointed out and starting to cry about
> > how you must have been right all those other times and the big meanies were wrong.
> >
>
> My post was mainly about figures, and as long as PR point is concerned, there's
> no nonsense. You're missing a simple fact that Cloudflare is significant enough
> today that their choice of hardware can influence many others' decisions.

No your nonsense about PR was just that -- utter nonsense. Sorry, no other way to sugar coat it, I cat copy and paste the exact parts that were nonsense if you've conveniently forgotten them.
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  Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelnone2018/10/10 08:25 AM
  Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/10 08:39 AM
  Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelMaynard Handley2018/10/10 09:26 AM
    Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelnobody in particular2018/10/10 12:03 PM
      Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelWilco2018/10/10 12:25 PM
        Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/10 01:07 PM
          Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelhobold2018/10/10 01:14 PM
          Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelWilco2018/10/10 01:58 PM
            Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/10 07:56 PM
              Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelWilco2018/10/11 01:18 AM
                Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelMichael S2018/10/11 02:43 AM
                Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/11 02:30 PM
          Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelBeastian2018/10/10 04:33 PM
            Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelDoug S2018/10/11 01:38 AM
          Qualcomm restructured server chip unitjuanrga2018/10/11 02:04 AM
            Qualcomm restructured server chip unitnone2018/10/11 03:38 AM
              Qualcomm restructured server chip unitMichael S2018/10/11 06:48 AM
                Qualcomm restructured server chip unitnone2018/10/11 08:15 AM
      Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/10 12:29 PM
  Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelDoug S2018/10/10 11:10 AM
    Cloudflare jumps to custom Inteldmcq2018/10/10 11:27 AM
    Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/10 02:07 PM
      Cloudflare jumps to custom IntelMichael S2018/10/11 03:06 AM
        Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon2018/10/11 06:02 AM
          Why can't two "computers" be on one board?Paul A. Clayton2018/10/11 06:49 PM
            Why can't two "computers" be on one board?rwessel2018/10/12 12:01 AM
              TwinBladesPaul A. Clayton2018/10/12 04:52 AM
            Why can't two "computers" be on one board?Doug S2018/10/12 01:01 AM
              Why can't two "computers" be on one board?Etienne2018/10/12 02:04 AM
              [O.T.] bladesMichael S2018/10/12 02:17 AM
                [O.T.] bladesAdrian2018/10/12 04:17 AM
              Why can't two "computers" be on one board?anon2018/10/12 03:04 AM
                Why can't two "computers" be on one board?rwessel2018/10/12 07:29 AM
                  Why can't two "computers" be on one board?anon2018/10/12 07:55 AM
              1S vs 2SWes Felter2018/10/12 01:30 PM
                1S vs 2SDoug S2018/10/12 02:35 PM
            Why can't two "computers" be on one board?anon2018/10/12 03:10 AM
            Why can't two "computers" be on one board?hobel2018/10/12 06:53 AM
      Cloudflare jumps to custom Intelanon.12018/10/11 09:16 AM
  Weird numbersjuanrga2018/10/11 02:11 AM
    Weird numbersanon2018/10/11 06:08 AM
      Weird numbersjuanrga2018/10/11 10:34 AM
        Weird numbersanon2018/10/11 11:24 AM
  Look at the figures, folksAM2018/10/11 08:15 AM
    Look at the figures, folksFoo_2018/10/11 09:22 AM
      Look at the figures, folksAM2018/10/11 10:02 AM
        Look at the figures, folksanon2018/10/11 02:49 PM
          Look at the figures, folksSimon Farnsworth2018/10/12 12:19 AM
            Some power efficiency figuresAM2018/10/12 03:59 AM
              Some power efficiency figuresSimon Farnsworth2018/10/12 09:00 AM
                Some power efficiency figuresMaynard Handley2018/10/12 09:33 AM
                  Some power efficiency figuresSimon Farnsworth2018/10/12 10:51 AM
                    Some power efficiency figuresanon2018/10/12 12:55 PM
                    Some power efficiency figuresMaynard Handley2018/10/12 02:37 PM
                      Some power efficiency figuresanon2018/10/12 03:04 PM
                        Some power efficiency figuresMaynard Handley2018/10/12 03:16 PM
                          Some power efficiency figuresanon2018/10/13 01:13 AM
                          Some power efficiency figuresanon2018/10/13 04:06 AM
                      Some power efficiency figuresSimon Farnsworth2018/10/13 03:52 AM
                        Some power efficiency figuresanon2018/10/13 04:17 AM
                Reread what you saidAM2018/10/14 08:14 AM
          Important clue for several postersAM2018/10/12 03:48 AM
            Important clue for several postersjuanrga2018/10/12 09:07 AM
              Important clue for several postersWilco2018/10/12 12:50 PM
                Thanks (NT)juanrga2018/10/13 03:17 AM
            Important clue for several postersWes Felter2018/10/12 01:42 PM
              Important clue for several postersAM2018/10/14 08:00 AM
                Cloudflare CPU has better perf/WDavid Kanter2018/10/15 07:39 AM
                  Cloudflare CPU has better perf/Wanon2018/10/15 08:10 AM
                    Cloudflare CPU has better perf/WDavid Kanter2018/10/15 10:09 AM
                      Cloudflare CPU has better perf/Wanon2018/10/15 11:52 AM
            Important clue for several postersanon2018/10/13 01:20 AM
              Important clue for several postersAM2018/10/14 07:58 AM
                Important clue for several postersanon2018/10/14 02:29 PM
                  Important clue for several postersAM2018/10/16 09:18 AM
                    Important clue for several postersanon2018/10/16 10:35 AM
                    Important clue for several postersanon2018/10/17 03:01 PM
    Look at the figures, folksDavid Kanter2018/10/13 05:08 AM
      Look at the figures, folksAM2018/10/14 07:50 AM
        Look at the figures, folksDavid Kanter2018/10/14 08:25 PM
          Look at the figures, folksMichael S2018/10/15 01:16 AM
            What?!AM2018/10/16 09:12 AM
          ARM servers in AzureMichael S2018/10/15 01:19 AM
            ARM servers in Azurejuanrga2018/10/15 04:41 AM
              ARM servers in AzureMichael S2018/10/15 04:46 AM
              ARM servers in AzureAnon2018/10/15 04:54 AM
                ARM servers in Azureanon2018/10/15 06:40 AM
          Look at the figures, folksAM2018/10/16 09:07 AM
        Look at the figures, folksMichael S2018/10/15 01:25 AM
        What figures?someone2018/10/15 04:35 AM
          What figures?AM2018/10/16 09:03 AM
            What figures?someone2018/10/17 07:19 AM
              What figures?wumpus2018/10/18 07:46 AM
      Look at the figures, folksJames2018/10/15 04:16 AM
        Look at the figures, folksAnne O. Nymous2018/10/15 04:31 AM
          Look at the figures, folksanonymou52018/10/15 04:47 AM
            Look at the figures, folksAnne O. Nymous2018/10/15 04:55 AM
        Watch the financial reportsAnon2018/10/15 05:00 AM
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