AnandTech SPEC2006 scores for ARM SoC

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), November 8, 2018 11:18 am
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Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 8, 2018 9:25 am wrote:
> Beastian (no.email.delete@this.aol.com) on November 8, 2018 7:10 am wrote:
> > Apple's big core design is likely to service future high end laptops of theirs (depending on
> > their plans) where as the A76 seems like it's dedicated to traditionally smaller form factors
> > mobile designs. ARM still has a bit of die space to play with for their future cores:
>
>
> Apple has had bigger cores for years, they believe it is worth the investment for mobile devices.
> Being able to use the same basic core (probably with some tweaks) in Macs would be appealing
> to them, but the Mac is the low volume product by comparison so the needs of the iPhone would
> likely be taken into account before the needs of the Mac when compromises must be made.

Be careful when you discuss Apple not to be caught up in the lunacy that emanates from so many of the most vocal commenters (both pro and anti)...
Mac volumes may be small, but Mac revenues are not. They are, in fact, almost twice those of iPad. If, moreover, you believe as I do (again as opposed to the loud lunatics) that Apple's plans for future Macs do NOT consist of cackling over how they can enslave their users in a walled garden limited to the constraints of iOS functionality; but are rather more mature and consist of asking how the PC might be re-invented to fuse all the value in the PC (UI elements, external hardware, third party software) with the value in iOS (security, stability, predictability), then you will believe that they plan to DRAMATICALLY grow that Mac segment to anyone who wants large screen+keyboard functionality, but doesn't need Wintel compatibility
(though Gartner will, of course, quite possibly relegate the "new" Macs to a "non-PC" segment, to limit how bad the damage looks).

Point is, I would not limit my projections regarding "how much money is Apple willing to spend on desktop/server class SoCs" nearly as much as you are.


> ARM has such a wide range of customers it probably doesn't make sense for them to invest in a design
> as complex as Vortex, because the number of high end Android devices that would be potential customers
> is limited - basically Samsung is the only one with annual sales of high end products hitting 8 digits.
> With Samsung still pursuing their own cores the potential market for a really high end ARM designed
> core able to compete with Apple's is even more limited. Not only would ARM need higher licensing costs
> for that core to amortize the design costs, the OEMs would be paying more for the SoCs (though less
> each generation since the CPU/GPU is a smaller percentage of the overall die)
>
> Unless ARM decided on a "built it and they will come" philosophy hoping that a market for ARM
> PCs not designed for the bottom end (i.e. Chromebook) will just appear out of thin air...

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Apple can provide the full package (including new OS ideas, new PC form factors, and ready-to-run SW). Poor ARM have to rely on the not-that-reliable (ESPECIALLY as regards any sort of innovation) support of MS.
BUT there are still servers in the background. They can try to play in just the throughput market --- and maybe that's all they area after? --- but if they are more ambitious, they will have to design a quality latency core anyway; and at that point it's not really THAT much risk to offer it up and see if maybe some Chinese co has ambitions for the whole computer experience (OS through apps through UI ala Apple)...
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