AnandTech SPEC2006 scores for ARM SoC

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), November 8, 2018 3:48 pm
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Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 8, 2018 2:00 pm wrote:
> Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on November 8, 2018 10:18 am wrote:
> > Be careful when you discuss Apple not to be caught up in the lunacy that emanates
> > from so many of the most vocal commenters (both pro and anti)...
> > Mac volumes may be small, but Mac revenues are not. They
> > are, in fact, almost twice those of iPad. If, moreover,
> > you believe as I do (again as opposed to the loud lunatics)
> > that Apple's plans for future Macs do NOT consist
> > of cackling over how they can enslave their users in a walled
> > garden limited to the constraints of iOS functionality;
> > but are rather more mature and consist of asking how the PC might be re-invented to fuse all the value in
> > the PC (UI elements, external hardware, third party software) with the value in iOS (security, stability,
> > predictability), then you will believe that they plan to DRAMATICALLY grow that Mac segment to anyone who
> > wants large screen+keyboard functionality, but doesn't need Wintel compatibility
> > (though Gartner will, of course, quite possibly relegate the "new"
> > Macs to a "non-PC" segment, to limit how bad the damage looks).
>
>
> I don't believe it is possible to "dramatically grow" Mac sales in a PC industry that has already seen
> its peak and will at best remain static at current levels. The trend is towards phones/tablets being
> more capable and more able to do things that used to be solely the purview of PCs - just like laptops
> improved to the point where fewer and fewer people see a reason to own a desktop PC. The widespread adoption
> of smartphones all over the world by people who use it as their primary computing device and have never
> owned a PC makes it nearly impossible for the PC market to ever return to long term growth.
>
> The only way Apple can do that is by making the Mac a better option than a Windows PC. I'm not saying they
> can't, but I'm highly skeptical they can do it to the extent they could "dramatically grow" Mac sales. Especially
> since Apple only plays in the high end of the market, so the only Windows customers they can convert are
> those who are in the high end of the Windows PC market. Getting someone who is used to paying $400 for a
> laptop to pay $1400 for a laptop only adds to the difficulty of getting them to switch.

People (at least in the US) are willing to pay more for a better phone. My guess is that they are also willing to pay more for a better PC. This means both that Apple can expand revenue upwards on the same user base AND that there's some fraction of Windows users (perhaps those already with iPhones) who will slowly migrate to Macs.

Of course this assumes (and I say this without proof because I'm not interested in, yet again, arguing the subject, simply pointing out that the fact that there are many loud voices does not make something true or universally believed) that the "PC" and the "tablet" are and will remain different devices, because of human factors; and that most people will ultimately use both because neither is the best at everything.

The history of computing since the year zero is a history of a certain type of person insisting that the next device will do EVERYTHING, that what went before (whether mainframe, mini, or PC is now obsolete) and (and this is the part that seems to be ignored) of that certain type of person being proved wrong...

After the drama and excitement of the first few years calms down, what "we" (ie the stupid who refused to learn from the past) learn from experience is that the older devices still have some very valuable niches, while the newer devices allow us to compute in new ways and new places.
The man who says the smartWatch will replace the smartPhone is as dumb as the man who says the smartWatch is a fad, and both are idiots compared to the reality that phones and watches do different things and both are nice to have.
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