AnandTech SPEC2006 scores for ARM SoC

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), November 9, 2018 8:23 pm
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Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 9, 2018 11:15 am wrote:
> Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on November 8, 2018 2:48 pm wrote:
> > Of course this assumes (and I say this without proof because I'm not interested in, yet again, arguing the
> > subject, simply pointing out that the fact that there are many loud voices does not make something true or
> > universally believed) that the "PC" and the "tablet" are
> > and will remain different devices, because of human
> > factors; and that most people will ultimately use both because neither is the best at everything.
>
>
> I agree they will remain separate devices, but some tasks that formerly couldn't
> be done on a tablet will be, so over time tablets will gain utility while PCs will
> have an ever shortening list of "things that can only be done on a PC".
>
> I assume when you say "most people will ultimately use both" you mean different people, right? I think
> most make a choice - if almost everything they do is fine on a tablet, and there are a few things that
> are a pain on the tablet but can be done they'll suffer through those few things rather than get a
> PC in addition to the tablet for them. Likewise, people who need a PC for most everything and have
> a few things where a tablet would be better aren't likely to buy a tablet, they'll suffer through those
> few things that are more inconvenient on a PC. There are of course some who fall in the middle where
> it makes too much sense to own and regularly use both, but IMHO these are the outliers.
>
> Now if you look at it in isolation, since the tablet market has existed less than a decade (I consider
> the iPad intro 'year 0' for tablets, the ones that came before were never remotely popular) and PCs these
> days are useful well beyond a decade barring hardware failure, most people with tablets also have PCs.
> But thinking of several tablet heavy users I know, they have PCs dating from before they bought their first
> tablet, but the question is: will they ever replace their PC? I think the answer is probably no.

No, I mean THE SAME people will use both. Are you willing to concede that most people will own and use BOTH a smartWatch and a smartPhone, each optimized for different interactions? (Admittedly right now that looks like more of an Apple-specific claim, but one day Android will surface smartWatches that are more than a minority taste.)

PCs and tablets are distinguished not by their CPUs and OSs, but by where they make the tradeoff between the convenience of mobility and the power of a kbd+pointing device. This won't change (at least not until smartGlasses REALLY become a thing, and my crystal ball can't yet see beyond that particular upheaval).
Insofar as one ever has tasks that require comparing information from multiple sources (many windows), and rapid selection/movement/editing of large amounts of data (trackpad, keyboard, and chording between the two) mobile UIs are just HORRIBLE, and that has not really changed in ten years.

NOW:
- CAN you do everything on mobile? Well some people insist you can, and that may be true, in the same way that you can write an entire program using only the x86 MOV instruction. But just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a sane choice most of the time.

- Does "everyone" need to compare information and select/move edit it? That's somewhat more contentious. I have zero interest in going into the sociology and politics of this, so let me simply lay out a sketch. It is likely true as an empirical matter that there's a large fraction of the population that have zero interest in such activity, and if all you care about is the short-term commercial calculation of what can be sold to whom, that may be all that matters. But if you care about anything larger, be that human flourishing, civic engagement, or the long term viability of your platform, you need to care about more than just that fraction of society.
Apple was correct that the GUI WAS a better UI for most people most of the time. BUT (and this is the part that always gets ignored) the original Mac of PURE GUI and not even any arrow keys is not the Mac and GUI of today. People WANT and make good use of arrow keys, and even more, CLIs very soon returned to the Mac in particular domains. Apple was forced to provide one in MPW, with more limited versions in everything from Excel to Hypercard to Think C to Mathematica.
If you live in an apartment you may well believe that no-one in the world could ever need a chain saw; but in turns out that actually plenty of people do NOT live in apartments; and even if you only use your chainsaw once a year, and even if it's a wimpy safety-first electric chainsaw, not the terrifying monster used by professional lumberjacks, when you do need that chainsaw it's very nice to have it available.

Or to put it differently, it is the capability of the Mac that allow iOS to remain simple. Killing off the Mac ends that symbiosis...
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