AnandTech SPEC2006 scores for ARM SoC

By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), November 10, 2018 9:25 am
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Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on November 10, 2018 7:41 am wrote:
> Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on November 10, 2018 6:46 am wrote:
>
> > Are those 15 year writing term papers on their phones? Will they be
> > doing their calculus assignments on their phones in five years?
> > The chattering classes only see 15 year olds using Facebook (or Grinder, or Ashley Madison,
> > or whatever it is that 15 year olds use) in public and extrapolate from that in a way that
> > makes zero sense. They don't see those kids writing term papers, because that is not something
> > people do in public. Neither do they see that those kids in five years will be living 20
> > year old lives with 20 year old concerns, and then likewise five years later.
> > That was the point of my chainsaw analogy.
>
> But vast majority of people don't write term papers (and don't use chainsaws). Sure, many people write
> term papers (or equivalent things) at some point in their life, but that's really short time.
>
> Personally, I don't understand how people can write even a single email on a phone or tablet, and feel
> that web browsing on small screen without a keyboard is way too inefficient to make sense (except when
> alternative doesn't exist). But that's just me, and like you always like to point out to me, what I feel
> is meaningless in the big picture. Most of my friends are happy to do majority of browsing and (textual)
> communication on smart phones. They simply don't need to write "term papers" all that often.
>

I don't know what you're arguing against (or think I am arguing for).
I am not asserting that most people will use PCs most of the time. I am asserting that
- even current youngsters know how to use PCs
- even current youngsters have access to PCs
- even current youngsters will buy PCs for college, and then have them in their houses later
- and so most people (or perhaps just enough to form a significant community) will use PCs for things that make sense on PCs, because the PCs are available.

Now yes, there are large communities (the poor and non-college going, etc) that do not conform to what I said above. But this is a discussion about the future of tech, not about the inequalities of society. And insofar as there is a significant population that continues to buy iPhones, I assert that most of that population will
- continue to "use" PCs
- which means (progress of time, as I indicated) they will buy "PCs" (for college, or because the one they have eventually died)
- and more of those PCs will be Mac rather than Windows, because (this is the assertion about the future which we have no way, yet, to test or even comment on) Apple will be selling, via the ARM Macs, PCs reconsidered with all the existing advantages of PCs, but with ever fewer of their complexity and RAS and performance disadvantages compared to their Wintel brethren.

You use the FP units of your PC substantially less than the integer units. But that doesn't mean that it's a sensible idea to get rid of them!
All it means is exactly the point as stated --- you use them less frequently --- but you DO USE THEM.
My assertion is that Macs will be used ENOUGH (just like aWatches will be used ENOUGH) to justify people buying them and Apple continuing to improve them. THAT is the ONLY point I am making. It may seem obvious and uncontroversial, but it flies in the face of the claim that ALL computing for almost ALL people will move EXCLUSIVELY to the phone (or perhaps phone+tablet).



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