Chicken or egg, both.

By: Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com), February 22, 2019 1:21 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
juanrga (juju.delete@this.jujuju.com) on February 22, 2019 11:23 am wrote:
> David Soul (hd4lys+4s3zx2rexne0k.delete@this.sharklasers.com) on February 22, 2019 10:47 am wrote:
> > > I think that’s unfair. The real difference, it seems to me, is between the people who can (reasonably
> > > accurately) extrapolate what’s coming (based on the literature and on what *trustworthy* companies have
> > > announced) and those who insist that nothing different is ever possible until the day after it ships...
> >
> > This is a movement by the people and for those people,the need for lighter powered servers
> > is not just a fad,the need to get away from the monolithic Intel is also not a fad.
> > Linus Torvalds, like a drunken boxer comes out swinging with all his might
> > and fury at the very idea of people other than him shaping new computing
> > history.Stick to your kernel Linus it is the one thing you are good at.
> >
> > There has been significant investment in incorporating ARM into server units,there has been
> > the slight attempt to have ARM windows units and even Intel has tailored low power chips
> > to try and compete, why because even Intel and Microsoft see what Torvalds doesn't.
> > It may fail, it may succeed, there are many people for whom
> > just the option of a different platform is enough.
> >
>
> The N1 cores have been measured in 7FF silicon, and they provide Zen-class
> performance on 1.0--1.8W depending on the implementation.
>
> Neither AMD nor Intel have anything close. Even the Zen2 cores in Rome are
> around 3.0--3.9W. And the Rome platform only scales up to at 64 cores.
>
> So Michael and Linus have to ignore raw data and focus on ad hominems and vacuous anti-ARM rants. But
> even as Piednoel mentions: "Linus historically has not been a genius of performance prediction".

Let’s show more respect for those that brought the future to us, Linus has done good.

As much as I disagree about native development, Linus will be getting his ARM laptop servers to do server development.
And so he will declare victory, he can have it.

Truth is closer to four times the cores at the same price, while having the same per core performance is a no brainer in all markets that need lots of cores. Servers and server laptops for development.
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