By: Magagop (xxx.delete@this.xxx.com), February 24, 2019 10:18 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Ronald Maas (ronaldjmaas.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 23, 2019 5:33 pm wrote:
> David Soul (hd4lys+4s3zx2rexne0k.delete@this.sharklasers.com) on February 22, 2019 5:05 pm wrote:
> > Your right,so why have you not looked around and seen all the
> > big company's all moving in some fashion to implement ARM.
> > "HP announced two ARM-powered servers, including the first enterprise-class 64-bit ARM server,
> > to expand customer choice for compute with targeted solutions for selected workloads."
> >
> > Japans new supercomputer uses ARM.
> > https://www.fujitsu.com/global/Images/post-k-supercomputer-overview.pdf
> >
> > Huawei Unveils New Chipset Using Arm Design for Server Push
> > JAN 07, 2019
> > AWS Launches Cloud Instances Powered by Custom Arm Chips
> > NOV 27, 2018
> > HPE and DOE Partner to Build Largest ARM-Based Supercomputer
> > JUN 22, 2018
> > https://www.datacenterknowledge.com
> >
> > Dell,HP,IBM,Google,Facebook,Amazon,Baidu etc the list goes,all these
> > companys are said to have started to invest in ARM servers.
> > Softbank group bought ARM for $32 billion,because they think it's
> > a dead tech? No because your watch,smartphone,tv,fridge,smart
> > home,smart car,video door bell,SBC's,cube sats (you get the point) all use ARM.
> >
> > ==============================
> >
>
>
> Problem is when I search Amazon or Newegg for 'ThunderX2', I got offers for a gaming chair. Searching for 'ARM
> Server' returns a ARM based tinker board, and finally 'X-Gene' an album of an artist I never heard of.
>
> So one critical requirements for ARM to have success in the server space is a wide range
> of ARM based development and server hardware to buy, and have the confidence that these
> products exist one or two years from now. I fully agree with Linus on this.
>
> Second the TCO for ARM should be significant lower compared to x86. It is nice AWS offers ARM based
> instances, but quick price check seems these are about 20% more expensive compared to Intel Xeon.
>
> Third single thread CPU performance and uncore performance (memory bandwidth, latency,
> etc.) should be good enough for the majority of enterprise applications to run successfully.
> Fortunately most Xeons sold are not exactly speed demons, and from what I have read about
> ThunderX2 and now Neoverse N1, So I think we are getting there in that regard.
>
> Personally I like to see ARM to become a success in the server space. But with points 1) and
> 2) seriously lacking at the moment, I think it will be a hard sell to convince businesses
> to consider ARM as a viable alternative for x86. Will be at least a few years from now.
>
> Ronald
>
That you cannot blame Arm, whose business is only selling IP to SoC providers.
Arm is NOT Intel or IBM, it cannot and will not sell chips or laptops or servers directly...
> David Soul (hd4lys+4s3zx2rexne0k.delete@this.sharklasers.com) on February 22, 2019 5:05 pm wrote:
> > Your right,so why have you not looked around and seen all the
> > big company's all moving in some fashion to implement ARM.
> > "HP announced two ARM-powered servers, including the first enterprise-class 64-bit ARM server,
> > to expand customer choice for compute with targeted solutions for selected workloads."
> >
> > Japans new supercomputer uses ARM.
> > https://www.fujitsu.com/global/Images/post-k-supercomputer-overview.pdf
> >
> > Huawei Unveils New Chipset Using Arm Design for Server Push
> > JAN 07, 2019
> > AWS Launches Cloud Instances Powered by Custom Arm Chips
> > NOV 27, 2018
> > HPE and DOE Partner to Build Largest ARM-Based Supercomputer
> > JUN 22, 2018
> > https://www.datacenterknowledge.com
> >
> > Dell,HP,IBM,Google,Facebook,Amazon,Baidu etc the list goes,all these
> > companys are said to have started to invest in ARM servers.
> > Softbank group bought ARM for $32 billion,because they think it's
> > a dead tech? No because your watch,smartphone,tv,fridge,smart
> > home,smart car,video door bell,SBC's,cube sats (you get the point) all use ARM.
> >
> > ==============================
> >
>
>
> Problem is when I search Amazon or Newegg for 'ThunderX2', I got offers for a gaming chair. Searching for 'ARM
> Server' returns a ARM based tinker board, and finally 'X-Gene' an album of an artist I never heard of.
>
> So one critical requirements for ARM to have success in the server space is a wide range
> of ARM based development and server hardware to buy, and have the confidence that these
> products exist one or two years from now. I fully agree with Linus on this.
>
> Second the TCO for ARM should be significant lower compared to x86. It is nice AWS offers ARM based
> instances, but quick price check seems these are about 20% more expensive compared to Intel Xeon.
>
> Third single thread CPU performance and uncore performance (memory bandwidth, latency,
> etc.) should be good enough for the majority of enterprise applications to run successfully.
> Fortunately most Xeons sold are not exactly speed demons, and from what I have read about
> ThunderX2 and now Neoverse N1, So I think we are getting there in that regard.
>
> Personally I like to see ARM to become a success in the server space. But with points 1) and
> 2) seriously lacking at the moment, I think it will be a hard sell to convince businesses
> to consider ARM as a viable alternative for x86. Will be at least a few years from now.
>
> Ronald
>
That you cannot blame Arm, whose business is only selling IP to SoC providers.
Arm is NOT Intel or IBM, it cannot and will not sell chips or laptops or servers directly...
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/20 07:35 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Adrian | 2019/02/20 07:39 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 09:03 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/20 09:41 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 11:49 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/20 12:21 PM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 01:01 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Wilco | 2019/02/20 01:31 PM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 02:16 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Wilco | 2019/02/20 02:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 03:09 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Wilco | 2019/02/20 03:45 PM |
ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/20 03:55 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Dan Fay | 2019/02/20 04:44 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Wilco | 2019/02/20 06:06 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Dan Fay | 2019/02/21 07:27 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 04:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Wilco | 2019/02/20 05:40 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Charles | 2019/02/21 01:16 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 01:26 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/20 07:55 PM |
ARM announces Ares | JS | 2019/02/20 11:59 PM |
*has not hasn't (NT) | JS | 2019/02/21 12:01 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Salvatore De Dominicis | 2019/02/21 06:05 AM |
Definitions of RISC | Brendan | 2019/02/21 09:07 AM |
Definitions of RISC | Michael S | 2019/02/21 09:16 AM |
PDP-8 Not Usually Considered RISC | Mark Roulo | 2019/02/21 01:10 PM |
PDP-8 Not Usually Considered RISC | rwessel | 2019/02/21 06:13 PM |
Definitions of RISC | Adrian | 2019/02/21 01:42 PM |
Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | wumpus | 2019/02/21 05:29 PM |
Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | none | 2019/02/21 11:32 PM |
Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | Michael S | 2019/02/22 03:28 AM |
Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | none | 2019/02/22 07:01 AM |
ARM announces Ares | lockederboss | 2019/02/20 08:56 AM |
stability? (NT) | anonymous2 | 2019/02/20 09:01 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 09:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Groo | 2019/02/20 09:11 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrei Frumusanu | 2019/02/20 10:49 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Linus Torvalds | 2019/02/20 09:36 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/20 09:54 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Geoff Langdale | 2019/02/20 02:07 PM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 02:32 PM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/20 11:03 PM |
That last line should have been removed :-) (NT) | none | 2019/02/20 11:04 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 12:47 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/21 02:59 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 03:45 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/21 04:18 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/22 08:43 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/20 08:27 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 12:53 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Linus Torvalds | 2019/02/21 08:03 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 08:35 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 08:51 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/02/21 01:40 PM |
ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/02/21 02:56 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Linus Torvalds | 2019/02/21 03:27 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Stoffels | 2019/02/21 11:21 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/22 03:15 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/22 08:41 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/22 09:30 AM |
In other words: nobody will ever get fired for choosing x86 (NT) | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/24 12:32 PM |
In other words: nobody will ever get fired for choosing x86 | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/25 03:53 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/02/22 01:52 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/24 12:31 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/25 02:57 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/25 03:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/25 03:58 AM |
ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/25 04:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Adrian | 2019/02/26 07:02 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/25 11:32 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/26 11:14 AM |
ARM announces Ares | David Hess | 2019/03/19 04:34 PM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/26 12:34 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/26 11:16 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/26 11:19 PM |
ARM announces Ares | end of an era | 2019/02/24 02:18 PM |
Word salad bot strikes again (NT) | nanon | 2019/02/24 11:26 PM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/25 01:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/25 01:52 AM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/25 09:48 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/25 01:07 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/25 11:38 PM |
ARM announces Ares | John Yates | 2019/02/26 02:43 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 05:55 AM |
ARM announces Ares | David Hess | 2019/03/19 04:22 PM |
ARM announces Ares | David Hess | 2019/03/19 03:54 PM |
ARMY announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/03/20 02:12 AM |
ARMY announces Ares | David Hess | 2019/03/20 04:47 AM |
ARMY announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/03/20 05:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Groo | 2019/02/21 09:23 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 09:29 AM |
ARM announces Ares | David Hess | 2019/03/19 04:44 PM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/21 10:52 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/21 07:19 PM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/22 02:40 AM |
software ecosystems | RichardC | 2019/02/21 03:31 PM |
software ecosystems | Foo_ | 2019/02/22 02:15 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/21 04:31 PM |
+ on hyperscaling | dmcq | 2019/02/22 07:23 AM |
+ on hyperscaling | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/22 07:38 AM |
+ on hyperscaling | juanrga | 2019/02/22 10:57 AM |
+ on hyperscaling | dmcq | 2019/02/22 07:23 AM |
sorry duplicate | dmcq | 2019/02/22 07:26 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/21 07:34 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Brett | 2019/02/21 09:20 PM |
ARM announces Ares | A. Wilcox | 2019/02/22 02:52 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/20 02:30 PM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 03:14 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/21 07:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/02/21 03:05 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/22 07:48 AM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/21 01:28 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 02:25 AM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/22 03:09 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/22 07:51 AM |
ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 10:47 AM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/22 11:23 AM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Brett | 2019/02/22 01:21 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | David Soul | 2019/02/22 05:05 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Brett | 2019/02/22 08:55 PM |
ARM sales | juanrga | 2019/02/23 02:55 AM |
ARM sales | aaron spink | 2019/02/23 07:47 AM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Ronald Maas | 2019/02/23 05:33 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Magagop | 2019/02/24 10:18 PM |
why not? (NT) | Michael S | 2019/02/25 01:03 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/25 09:36 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 09:43 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 10:35 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 11:03 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 11:29 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/26 09:08 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/26 11:05 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 03:51 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:15 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 12:43 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/26 10:22 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 03:59 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:42 AM |
why not? | Magagop | 2019/02/27 02:31 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 04:02 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 04:25 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 04:56 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 05:19 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:46 PM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 04:49 AM |
why not? | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 06:02 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/28 07:32 AM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 08:40 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/28 09:13 AM |
why not? | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 06:35 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/01 10:05 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 01:32 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/01 02:13 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 03:13 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 02:56 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 09:09 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 09:41 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 11:19 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 02:48 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/02 03:53 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/02 04:06 PM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/02 11:54 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 01:58 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 04:35 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 05:33 AM |
I considired dry humor a Brittish specialty. It seems, I was wrong about it. (NT) | Michael S | 2019/03/03 05:39 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 09:13 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 11:41 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 12:21 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 03:15 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/28 07:38 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 12:48 AM |
strawman (NT) | anon | 2019/02/28 07:31 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 02:53 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 04:26 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 04:42 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 04:49 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 05:21 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 06:15 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 10:25 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:45 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 01:32 PM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 03:04 PM |
Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 06:06 PM | |
Arm reference board? | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/28 11:34 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:46 AM |
why not? (NT) | la mama de murgay | 2019/02/25 09:22 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Ronald Maas | 2019/02/25 12:23 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/24 02:07 PM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/03/02 04:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 07:08 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/03/02 09:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/22 03:33 PM |
ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 05:20 PM |
Troll | Doug S | 2019/02/23 12:37 AM |
Troll | David Soul | 2019/02/23 07:59 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Ennis | 2019/02/23 01:18 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/02/23 01:38 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/23 02:46 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/23 04:41 AM |
ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/26 02:58 AM |
expensive | anonymous2 | 2019/02/26 11:46 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 06:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 06:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 06:57 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/27 07:11 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 07:16 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:49 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 12:43 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 03:06 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 04:00 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 04:02 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/03/01 02:47 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Michael S | 2019/03/01 06:27 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 06:37 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | dmcq | 2019/03/01 11:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 05:31 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 08:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/28 02:02 PM |
ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/03/01 12:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 10:32 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 10:33 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 12:55 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/03/01 04:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 07:45 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 08:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 08:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 03:03 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 05:03 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/27 10:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 03:26 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Peter E. Fry | 2019/02/28 06:31 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Adrian | 2019/02/28 09:09 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/01 11:56 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/03/02 09:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 01:31 PM |