why not?

By: dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk), February 27, 2019 7:15 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 27, 2019 5:21 am wrote:
> dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 27, 2019 4:49 am wrote:
> > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 27, 2019 2:53 am wrote:
> > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 25, 2019 10:35 am wrote:
> > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 9:43 am wrote:
> > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 25, 2019 9:36 am wrote:
> > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 1:03 am wrote:
> > > > > > > why not?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arm doesn't build nor sells hardware. That would mean competing
> > > > > > against their own customers so it will never happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Competing against your own customers is pretty common in this industry.
> > > >
> > > > Arm was built on cooperation and the idea of an ecosystem. Competing with people
> > > > you talk with at an early stage of development would be very destructive of such
> > > > trust and with it their business model. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Come on. I don't know who is "Not the parent" and how old and knowledgeable he is.
> > > But you are certainly sufficiently old and knowledgeable
> > > to at least hear about true history of microcomputer
> > > company named Acorn and about their chip-making joint venture with Apple and VLSI called ARM and about
> > > shift toward IP licensing as increasingly important part of their business that happened only *after*
> > > Apple Newton didn't sell, despite that first ARM licensing deals were signed years earlier.
> > >
> > > If Arm returns to chip-making business and then to boards-making and computer-making business
> > > then most of their customers either wouldn't object (Apple, Samsung, STMicro, NXP, probably
> > > Hisilicon) or object silently with no visible effects (Qualcomm, Mediatek).
> > > On the other hand, Arm's software partners would LOVE it.
> >
> > There is a bit of history you obviously don't know. Apple
> > did not want to buy chips or technology from a rival
> > and considered Acorn at that time a rival. They were happy
> > though to be joint partners in founding ARM. Also
> > Acorn did not sell ARM chips, VLSI did, and had done so for
> > a number of years before the founding of ARM except
> > then it stood for Acorn Risc Machine.
>
> Few 610 chips were marked "ARM VLSI" but many (most?) of them
> had letters ARM written over them with no VLSI sign.
> Same as today Qualcomm and Apple chips have Qualcomm or Apple written over them, not TSMC or Samsung.

Plessey also made ARM610 chip, those would be marked GPS instead of VLSI. Those chips would be bought from Plessey not Acorn or ARM.

> That's pretty different from ARM7, where percentage of
> chips made by ARM itself was miniscule and later zero.
>
> > It is true there was no recognizable IP model until a couple of years
> > after the founding but no competition and being an IP company
> > was built in from the start. Before the founding
> > and for a while afterwards there were numerous talks with other companies about what sort of business they
> > could make a success of. I'm surprised how helpful companies
> > can be to each other in things like that. Perhaps
> > that also contributed to their policy of forming an ecosystem and working with partners.
>
>

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